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What is the piece "Leave you far behind" ? Is it a stand in for something else, or is it the literal name of the piece?

MilesMortim wrote:What is the piece "Leave you far behind" ? Is it a stand in for something else, or is it the literal name of the piece?

I assume it is this. But I could be wrong.

Loved the epiphany about falling to the Dark yet returning to the Light parallels the human condition that we face every day. Chaos can be all things, both Good and Evil.


Do Force sensitive beings have AT-fields to maintain their soul’s individuality? Or do SW souls behave differently than those from the Evangelion universe? If yes, has Anakin Solo’s alterations at the hands of neoChaos given him an AT-field around his soul?

How does BOLO’s A.I. compare to the droid’s of SW or Data/Lore’s positronic brain? BOLO’s mental structure is far more durable and less likely to experience “moral corruption” given their knight errant programming, yet Data/Lore’s A.I. are more adaptive and versatile.

Has Academia Nut ever considered posting "Open Door" on Twisting the Hellmouth? There are many who have yet to learn of its incredible awesomeness.

Valorie wrote: Do Force sensitive beings have AT-fields to maintain their soul’s individuality? Or do SW souls behave differently than those from the Evangelion universe? If yes, has Anakin Solo’s alterations at the hands of neoChaos given him an AT-field around his soul?

Maybe. The Force sould like a gigantic multi-faceted AT-field with several key similarities to Lilith's "All-Soul." The microschism Obi-Wan senses inside Solo could be the result of a very weak AT-field distorting his connection to the Force, which could act like a trojan horse virus if it's neoChaos' plan to get Darth Vader infected/converted by his own grandson, assuming that they're in the past and not an alternate dimension where time hasn't progressed as far.

NeoChaos currently can’t spare the resources for non-BOLO droid mass-production on the scale they need, but if they wanted to they could release one of those semi-sentient viruses to secretly take over various droid factories so that droids produced would having hidden programming built into them.

Dark Jedi Kueller used a similar method when he took control of the factory on Telti so that specific droids had bombs built into them. Months later, he’d remotely activate the bombs to decimate Almania, Pydyr, Auyemesh, Smuggler’s Run, and much of the New Republic Senate. See “the New Rebellion” by Kristine Rusch for more details.

Valorie wrote:Loved the epiphany about falling to the Dark yet returning to the Light parallels the human condition that we face every day. Chaos can be all things, both Good and Evil.


Do Force sensitive beings have AT-fields to maintain their soul’s individuality? Or do SW souls behave differently than those from the Evangelion universe? If yes, has Anakin Solo’s alterations at the hands of neoChaos given him an AT-field around his soul?

How does BOLO’s A.I. compare to the droid’s of SW or Data/Lore’s positronic brain? BOLO’s mental structure is far more durable and less likely to experience “moral corruption” given their knight errant programming, yet Data/Lore’s A.I. are more adaptive and versatile.

SW droids are pratically human as far as emotions, showing frusteration, happyness, sorrow. But they seem to be inept at tasks that they weren't specifically designed for. (Battle droids are terrible at everything though.) They are totally loyal to their owner though.

I don't know much about Bolo AI so I can't really comment on that, but they seem to be very efficient at using whatever chassis they are given to cause mass destruction, even when the situation isn't perfect. I think that Bolos are very flexible AIs, but they don't have a wide variety of things that they are generally used for because they're just too good at warring.

Data and his kin are designed to emulate people, not to be mass produced tools. Despite that Data's mind seems to be incredibly ridged. His trouble dealing with the emotions of others is absolutely rediculous. Everyone in ST could be called adaptable due to the Random-Thing-of-the-Week disease. I suppose that he could be called versatile in his ability to do almost anything better than average or even excellently. However, that is mainly a thing of, "I will learn the paino to be more human," five seconds later, "I have learned to play the paino, and can play all songs ever written perfectly."

TL;DR = Data - versitile/capable but flawed, Bolo - capable but too valuable, SW droids - Barely competent at best, worthless at worst.

D1398342003 wrote:TL;DR = Data - versitile/capable but flawed, Bolo - capable but too valuable, SW droids - Barely competent at best, worthless at worst.

Most droids are relatively cheap, so it’s a matter of quantity over quality, and everyone needs expendable cannon fodder to protect the more valuable assets, be it "RedShirts" or "Goblins". Anything below 3,000 credits is within the price range of the average Galactic citizen; much in the same way almost everyone in America owns an automobile.

The best of both worlds would be the Tachikoma from “Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.” Without regular synchronizing to inhibit individuality, these four-legged tanks quickly developed their own emotions and could debate the metaphysical nature of their own existence, although they remained child-like in many regards and would require many years before maturing into adults.

You have an entire society of mad scientists. Use them!

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Discussing the practicality of different automatons are the kinds of things the scientists of neoChaos should be debating about, as the BOLOs will need smaller support units to be effective in large-scale military operations.

The scientists don’t have much to do for the next 50 years until the construction yards are completed, so it’d be more cost effective to talk about such matters now rather than down the road, that way they’d have all sorts of ideas and designs to present when the time comes.

MichaelAwesome wrote:
The best of both worlds would be the Tachikoma from “Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.” Without regular synchronizing to inhibit individuality, these four-legged tanks quickly developed their own emotions and could debate the metaphysical nature of their own existence, although they remained child-like in many regards and would require many years before maturing into adults.

I just had a vision of a squad of neoChaos loyal tachikomas, complete with S2 organs, synshronizing with a BOLO

Alien-Carrot wrote:I just had a vision of a squad of neoChaos loyal tachikomas, complete with S2 organs, synshronizing with a BOLO

Tachikoma: “Are you our Daddy?”
Scipio: “Oh god, no! I’m not ready for parental responsibility!”
Tachikoma: “Awww, someone needs a hug.”
Scipio: (panicking) “Get ‘em off me! Get ‘em off me!”
Ashley: ((doesn’t help Scipio, wonders what kind of baby shower do you throw for a 50-ton super-tank))

Indeed. What kind of baby shower does one throw for a 50-ton super-tank? Lars might know, but he's not around for Ashley to ask.

Er...fifty? Not even close, Scipio is a XXXIII, if memory serves, and that masses roughly thirty-two kilotons. Yes. It's a tank that measures its weight in terms normally reserved for the yields of nuclear warheads.

White Haven wrote: Yes. It's a tank that measures its weight in terms normally reserved for the yields of nuclear warheads.

I may not know mush about BOLO-verse, but from what i've heard, that seems somewhat... appropriate.

Alien-Carrot wrote:

White Haven wrote: Yes. It's a tank that measures its weight in terms normally reserved for the yields of nuclear warheads.

I may not know mush about BOLO-verse, but from what i've heard, that seems somewhat... appropriate.

Sorry, I got my metric system mixed up. It'd be nice if someone mentioned the BOLO's dimensions to better appreciate its size.

Other things the Stiletto might have stolen from the Enterprise’s computer:

1) Sensor readings on Romulan interphase cloaking (TNG: “The Next Phase”), which could be used to counter Necrontyr phase armor in combination with the point-to-point FTL drive recovered from Battlestar Galactica.

2) If I was a Bearer of Reigle, I’d be interested in the diseases known as Barclay’s Protomorphosis Syndrome (TNG: “Genesis”) and Polywater Intoxication (TNG: “The Naked Now”). One de-evolves people, the other can get an android stoned drunk.

4) Metaphasic shield: allows a starship to enter a star’s corona for brief periods of time thanks to the shield’s ability to withstand intense pressure, heat, and radiation. (TNG: “Suspicions,” “Descent, Part2”)

5) Soliton wave propulsion (TNG: “New Ground”), good for non-military civilians of neoChaos for one-way FTL voyages between established bases. Not practical for military or logistical operations.

6) The experimental Submicron Matrix Transfer technique Data used to create Lal as an android daughter.

There is an absolute crapload of technology in Star Trek which, if used logically / re-purposed / brought out of the big warehouse it vanishes into all the time, would make the Borg crap their pants at the site of a Starfleet ship.

Giving all that stuff to someone like Kensuke to play with? Especially with all the Imperium and Eldar tech on top of that? Yeash.

Chris OFarrell wrote:There is an absolute crapload of technology in Star Trek which, if used logically / re-purposed / brought out of the big warehouse it vanishes into all the time, would make the Borg crap their pants at the site of a Starfleet ship.

Aside from the "deux ex machina of the week" plothole, the biggest problem is that 98% of all technology is inherently incompatible with each other in both “Star Trek” and “Star Wars,” hence why custom jobs like the Millennium Falcon and the Deep Space Nine station malfunction every other scene. Over come that, and you’d have super-spaceships all over the place.

On an entirely different side-note:
Ya know, I'd like to see Tzintchi sit down across the table from Bruce Wayne, and try to corrupt him. Now -there's- a challenge for even the gods. Bruce has more xanathos gambits going through his head then just about any other character I can think of in 90% of fiction. He's pulled off dozens of "I've converted to your side!" *two days - ten years later* "Fooled you!" stunts.

As for tech incompatibilities, then find a bridge tech. No offense but its pretty much like carrying around a universal AC/DC adaptor for when visiting other countries and dealing not only with the different shaped power-outlets, but the different wattages/amps their countries use. That and stepping up, or stepping down power requirements as well. Yes if you pulled the Millenium Falcon's power core and jacked it into the ENT-E, you'd likely blow out every system on the ship from overloading. Find something that steps it down. Hooking a Warp Core into a SW ship and you'd likely not even turn the displays on, so you'll likely develop it as a means to provide short-term 'bursts' of power and so on.

Of course, that's if you just leave the technologies alone, as is. I'd personally be studying them from the rock-bottom level of how their basic tech & theory works, and then find points along the way that match up, and adapt (not like the Borg mind you) the two different methodologies into one whole that can at least work in parallel, if not in complete conjunction.

barricade wrote: As for tech incompatibilities, then find a bridge tech. No offense but its pretty much like carrying around a universal AC/DC adaptor for when visiting other countries and dealing not only with the different shaped power-outlets, but the different wattages/amps their countries use. That and stepping up, or stepping down power requirements as well. Yes if you pulled the Millenium Falcon's power core and jacked it into the ENT-E, you'd likely blow out every system on the ship from overloading. Find something that steps it down. Hooking a Warp Core into a SW ship and you'd likely not even turn the displays on, so you'll likely develop it as a means to provide short-term 'bursts' of power and so on.

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Not to start THE huge debate here, but wouldn't that be the other way around? SW primarily runs on fusion, while the ENT-E runs off a direct matter-antimatter annihilation. There's also the matter of size--while it has been a while since I've seen ST in any form, I'd figure the Falcon being able to land in the ENT-D or ENT-E's shuttlebay...

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Pengu1n wrote:Not to start THE huge debate here, but wouldn't that be the other way around? SW primarily runs on fusion, while the ENT-E runs off a direct matter-antimatter annihilation. There's also the matter of size--while it has been a while since I've seen ST in any form, I'd figure the Falcon being able to land in the ENT-D or ENT-E's shuttlebay...

"Fusion" as Star Wars knows it is not at all like the conventional D-T fusion you're thinking of. Vessels in SW run on immensely energy-dense power sources, with outputs far in excess of anything Star Trek engineers could hope for (e.g. the common Imperial Star Destroyer's main reactor outputs as much energy as a small star at maximum power!) Even small vessels like tramp freighters command incredible amounts of energy.

phongn wrote:

Pengu1n wrote:Not to start THE huge debate here, but wouldn't that be the other way around? SW primarily runs on fusion, while the ENT-E runs off a direct matter-antimatter annihilation. There's also the matter of size--while it has been a while since I've seen ST in any form, I'd figure the Falcon being able to land in the ENT-D or ENT-E's shuttlebay...

"Fusion" as Star Wars knows it is not at all like the conventional D-T fusion you're thinking of. Vessels in SW run on immensely energy-dense power sources, with outputs far in excess of anything Star Trek engineers could hope for (e.g. the common Imperial Star Destroyer's main reactor outputs as much energy as a small star at maximum power!) Even small vessels like tramp freighters command incredible amounts of energy.

And I do suggest stopping this conversation here. If you wish to continue, please make a thread in "SW v ST" forum and keep this thread clean.

barricade wrote:Of course, that's if you just leave the technologies alone, as is. I'd personally be studying them from the rock-bottom level of how their basic tech & theory works, and then find points along the way that match up, and adapt (not like the Borg mind you) the two different methodologies into one whole that can at least work in parallel, if not in complete conjunction.

Very true, and as a running joke, Academia Nut could imply that the boys in R&D have the highest mortality rate among non-combatants.
"Damnit! We lost another intern!"

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Off Topic (trying to avoid SWvsST debate):
Agent Mara was disgusted by the Yuuzhan Vong’s bio-tech because the creatures that spawned it have their nervous system made specifically for feeling pain, and cannot feel Pleasure as humans conceive of it, which reflects itself in their bio-tech devices. Pain without the possibility of Pleasure would seem blasphemous to someone raised in neoChaos. However, the Vong bio-ships, and the freed slaves who were the subjected to Mengele-like experimentation, might invoke inspiration in the scientists studying them, which could later be incorporation into the Angelic bio-components aboard Chaotic ships such as the Stiletto.

Biologically, I’m curious about some of the sentient plantlife native to the Star Wars universe and how they might develop if raised on Earth Prime where they’d be exposed to high levels of psychic phenomenon and frequent time/space distortions. A few generations of breeding in such an environment could yield interesting genetic drifts to create new subspecies.

Plus, I can picture a violent culture like neoChaos having semi-sentient venus flytraps as pets/decorations, with the more expensive ones being able to sing and talk.

“Feed me, Seymour. Feed me all night long!”
“Shut up! I’m trying to sleep!”
(Insert scene of Ashley's parent/guardian bringing her such a plant, but it sings a type of music she can't stand)

=Felucian, Force-sensitive fungoids, mobile and amphibious
=Bafforr tree of Ithor, sessile telepathic plants with a collective consciousness whose pollen destroyed vonduun crab armor.
=Neti, Force-sensitive, able to control their size and shape, long-lived, their homeworld was destroyed but seeds may have survived and are waiting to germinate.
=Ergesh resemble CousinIt and had decent bio-tech, made living starships called Ergesh Starjumpers
=OTHERS: Affytechan, Cygnus algae, M’shinn, Orgon, Pliith, Revwien, Vesuvague tree, Zeffliffl, Zelosians look near-human

Jaeger wrote:

barricade wrote:Of course, that's if you just leave the technologies alone, as is. I'd personally be studying them from the rock-bottom level of how their basic tech & theory works, and then find points along the way that match up, and adapt (not like the Borg mind you) the two different methodologies into one whole that can at least work in parallel, if not in complete conjunction.

Very true, and as a running joke, Academia Nut could imply that the boys in R&D have the highest mortality rate among non-combatants.
"Damnit! We lost another intern!"

They must be wearing red shirts.

It's not their fault the blood of their co-workers won't come out! HK-47 STARTED IT!

Wait...

WHAT HAVE I DONE!?

Speaking of sentient fungi... Fic needs more Orks.

Jonen C wrote:Speaking of sentient fungi... Fic needs more Orks.

To defeat the Orks, we need....

Sentient Anti-Fungal Cream.

Jonen C wrote:Speaking of sentient fungi... Fic needs more Orks.

Before you can introduce Orks, they’ll need a god (or daemon prince) to regulate the WAAAGH! and focus their destructive tendencies. Khenmu, Tzintchi’s mentor, could be put in charge of the Orks as a test of his abilities to see if he’s worthy of becoming a Greater Daemon like Kali and Gunnhild. If not, for a short-term solution, Askulon could act as divine patron of the Orks, but absorbing the souls of Orks would affect her mental equilibrium and make her more powerful than the other neoChaos gods.

Somehow I don't think a Tzeentchian Demon and former Thousand Son Chaos Space Marine would the best mentor/divinity for Orks.

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