Making Sullust to Endor Video

Invictus ChiKen · Post by **Invictus ChiKen** » 2007-12-03 08:40pm

How about a TIE squadron running down the corridors to there fighters while the scramble alarm sounds like in Last Bastion?

First all macho running, then as it goes on you see clips of them running into restrooms, stopping for snacks and sleep. Showers and laundry all with the alarm and tense music playing.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2007-12-04 01:01pm

Have a bit with Luke whining about pissing himself waiting so long, leading Vader to go into a 'when I was your age we had to sit in the lava fields for days missing all our limbs before we could take a piss, except we couldn't because our peckers had been burned off' rant.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-12-06 02:02pm

As has been pointed out in the "More Trektardism" thread, Darkstar's "theory" states it took eight hours from the time the Rebel fleet exited hyperspace to close the distance to the Death Star. I don't know how that will fit in with the video, if at all.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2007-12-06 02:16pm

Darth Servo wrote:As has been pointed out in the "More Trektardism" thread, Darkstar's "theory" states it took eight hours from the time the Rebel fleet exited hyperspace to close the distance to the Death Star. I don't know how that will fit in with the video, if at all.

Wait...how is that possible? The visuals clearly show Endor looming up and filling the Falcon's cockpit window as they exited hyperspace. Cuts immediatley to Lando calling for his fighters to check in as they accelerate to attack speed.

And this is a surprise attack. What the fuck is gained by taking 8 hours to fly up to the death star? Did the rebels think the Imperials would sit there and watch the rebel fleet slloowwlly advancing for 8 hours and do nothing?

What the hell is wrong with this guy and more importantly how fucking moronic do you have to be to buy into that?!

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-12-06 02:22pm

Stravo wrote:
And this is a surprise attack. What the fuck is gained by taking 8 hours to fly up to the death star? Did the rebels think the Imperials would sit there and watch the rebel fleet slloowwlly advancing for 8 hours and do nothing?

What the hell is wrong with this guy and more importantly how fucking moronic do you have to be to buy into that?!

Tell that to JMSpock, who cheerfully believes that the Rebels would be idiotic enough to try to blow up the shield generator 12 hours prior to their attack. Not much of a sneak assault if the Empire has half a flipping day's heads up!. Of course, as you might imagine, he conveniently ignores this glaring problem.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-12-06 03:08pm

A) Assume the Death Star is ALWAYS directly over the shield generator or "in the same time zone", is completely immobile (and remember, Darkstar's assumptions must always treated as if they are canon). Remember, the rebel hologram showed the shield projecting straight up, so thats how it must ALWAYS be. Afterall, a diagram of an airplane could show its flaps in only one position, so THEY must not be movable either.

B) The following pictures show the Death Star deep on the night side of Endor when the Fleet is far away--just exited hyperspace.

C) When the fleet has closed, figures out the shield is still up, the Death Star is hovering at the day/night terminator.

Again, a NORMAL person would simply conclude that the Death Star can more around, that scooter's assumption of ALWAYS being directly over the shield generator is false. What does this pic say about the various assumptions?

Is it possible for the Death Star to be directly above the complex there?

Some other gems: After three of the guards are diverted by the Ewok stealing the bike, "It looks like it took Han and the strike team an hour or two to get into position for the entrapment of the last scout."

Yep, Scooter things it took 1-2 hours for Han and company to walk maybe 100 yards from their hiding place to the sides of the bunker.

"One of the constants of location shooting is that it is more expensive than studio shooting, and is thus even more tightly budgeted and scheduled. This commonly results in a shooting schedule wherein daytime shots are all crammed together in a haphazard fashion, with little if any rhyme or reason between the time of day being shot and the time of day intended. (For example, all of the exterior town scenes for "A Fistful of Datas"[TNG6] had to be shot in a single grueling day by director Patrick Stewart, and they literally shot from dawn until after sunset.)

With that thought in mind, I never expected to be able to perform the same type of rigorous daylight-angle analysis I did for AoTC's Tatooine-Geonosis trip on the Endor scenes from Return of the Jedi, since, although the former were all done on soundstages and with CGI (thus allowing control of light), the latter were all location shots.

To my surprise and delight, I recently noticed that the Endor scenes showed a very high level of sun angle continuity. (This was partially aided, no doubt, by the fact that it was often overcast during the shooting.) Thus, we can employ the same methodology used to establish how long the AoTC trip took to establish how long the trip to Endor took."

Scooter admits that his "hyperanalyze the angle of shadows" method is inapplicable to out-door shooting, but he'll use it anyway, and ignore that little admission that the California forests shot for Endor are often overcast, making the lighting most certainly NOT from the sun. Sadly, such behavior is typical of Scooter.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2007-12-06 03:11pm

DS, that last pic breaks the thread. Might wanna inline it.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-12-06 03:14pm

damn, I wish I could edit:

Yep, Scooter things it took 1-2 hours for Han and company to walk maybe 100 yards from their hiding place to the sides of the bunker. After all, those other three scouts would keep chasing that Ewok for that long, even though the stolen bike likely crashed within seconds after the Ewok abandoned it. I guess the three scouts decided to take a lunch break since they were away from their posts anyway. Not like anything is going to happen back at the shield bunker, right?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-12-06 03:14pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:DS, that last pic breaks the thread. Might wanna inline it.

Can't. I don't have editing privileges.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-12-06 05:37pm

Actually, no, it doesn't unless your resolution is at 800*600.

I'll let it swing.

TC Pilot · Post by **TC Pilot** » 2007-12-06 05:53pm

There are so many things wrong with JMSpock's silly little theory, it's a prime example of his dishonesty or stupidity. It requires Vader spent a third of a day bringing Luke to the Emperor, the ignoring visuals (the shield generator is not directly below the Death Star) in that the shadow of the Tyderium shows it is not the break of dawn (which he used to justify how it could take 8 hours, since Endor's day is only like 18 hours to begin with), that the Rebel pilots would be perfectly ready for combat after 8 hours in-flight. The list goes on.

In fact, his only real justification is the placement of shadows compared from before entering the bunker and after. Of course, it's more than likely it's just an FX goof, given the shadow "blooper" of the Mos Eisley cantina entrance.

Really, approximately three hours is about the upper limit to the fleet's travel time, with somewhere around 30 minutes to an hour being the lower limit and much more plausible.

Post by **Vympel** » 2007-12-06 09:57pm

With that thought in mind, I never expected to be able to perform the same type of rigorous daylight-angle analysis I did for AoTC's Tatooine-Geonosis trip

Ah yes, that would be his "rigorous analysis" that mysteriously does not include a single shot of a certain Gran senator in Palpatine's office.

(or not so mysteriously - since it destroys his entire house of cards)

Never mind the moronic conclusion he comes to - it took Padme and Anakin 21 hours to travel from Geonosis to Tatooine, yet Darth Maul travelled to Tatooine from Coruscant - ie the virtually exact same fucking trip that Padme said would take way too long in the circumstances - in less time.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-12-07 12:02am

TC Pilot wrote:In fact, his only real justification is the placement of shadows compared from before entering the bunker and after. Of course, it's more than likely it's just an FX goof, given the shadow "blooper" of the Mos Eisley cantina entrance.

Shouldn't we see two shadows on Tatooine? That whole planet should be a "shadow blooper". Darkstar has already cited a quote stating that shadows mean dick in these things yet he still bases entire pages on them.

TC Pilot · Post by **TC Pilot** » 2007-12-07 12:57am

Darth Servo wrote:Shouldn't we see two shadows on Tatooine? That whole planet should be a "shadow blooper". Darkstar has already cited a quote stating that shadows mean dick in these things yet he still bases entire pages on them.

Yeah, probably. But that one particularly instance means you either have to accept an ungodly and an astoundingly ludicrous planetary rotation, or that shadows are meaningless.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2007-12-10 06:20pm

Uh, just to make sure I fully understand the argument correctly...

Is numbnuts saying he believes it took the Rebel Fleet 8 hours to get to the Death Star 2 AFTER they dropped out of hyperspace?

Does he mention anything about the X-Wings in ANH getting to the first Death Star from at LEAST 1 AU away in less than 15 minutes?

Post by **Vympel** » 2007-12-10 06:27pm

Does he mention anything about the X-Wings in ANH getting to the first Death Star from at LEAST 1 AU away in less than 15 minutes?

I imagine they'd argue that the Rebel capital ships are so much slower than fighters or some such idiocy.

Is it really worth bothering with an argument so transparently stupid? It practically debunks itself - anyone reading it who isn't a complete imbecile will write off the entire website as the work of an irrational twit the moment he reads it.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2007-12-10 07:45pm

My assumption? That looks lkike a radio telescope antenna. They can move around. Thus if it can move around then the Death Star just has to be in a location that it can point at , yet close enough for the shield to form properly.

If volume and surgace area is a key coincern you would want it as close as safely possible otherwise you could have the DS in any orbit you need it to be.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-12-10 10:28pm

Lord Poe wrote:Is numbnuts saying he believes it took the Rebel Fleet 8 hours to get to the Death Star 2 AFTER they dropped out of hyperspace?

I don't recall seeing any specific number on his webpage but he DOES make a point that his #1 premise (assumption to anyone else--time to go update the dictionary again) is that the Death Star 2 is always directly above the shield generator complex/backdoor bunker.

Does he mention anything about the X-Wings in ANH getting to the first Death Star from at LEAST 1 AU away in less than 15 minutes?

Does he mention handguns being used at ranges of several km at Hoth and Geonosis when he tries to argue the Falcon's range is only 200 meters?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-12-10 10:33pm

edit: remember Wayne, the Rabid Stupid Asshole thinks it took Han and company 1-2 HOURS to get into position to ambush the last scout trooper after the ewok steals the bike leading the other three on a wild goose chase.

1-2 hours to walk at most 100 meters.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-12-11 01:28am

Typhonis 1 wrote:My assumption? That looks lkike a radio telescope antenna. They can move around. Thus if it can move around then the Death Star just has to be in a location that it can point at , yet close enough for the shield to form properly.

Is there anything anywhere in canon that says the dish HAS to be pointed at the Death Star or is that just something people assume? Hell, is there anything in canon that says the big dish is releated to the shield at all?

Post by **Vympel** » 2007-12-11 06:19am

I really don't know why any of you are taking even the minimal effort to discuss the flaws of such a transparently idiotic argument. It's the kind of argument that proves satire is dead.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2007-12-11 11:46am

Vympel wrote:I really don't know why any of you are taking even the minimal effort to discuss the flaws of such a transparently idiotic argument. It's the kind of argument that proves satire is dead.

Do you think Darkstar made the argument up, "for the lulz", as the kids say nowadays? There's pretty convincing evidence that's what he actually believes.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-12-11 03:17pm

Its not about refuting it. Its about mocking it.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2007-12-11 05:08pm

8 hours is plenty of time to watch a few Star Trek movies. I'm sure Luke, Vader, and Palps could have a blast rolling around on the floor watch choice parts of Insurrection or Nemesis.

Palpatine: "Oh my god can you believe Patrick Stewart actually chose to be in that piece of shit? Berman and Braga make George Lucas 2007 look like George Lucas from 1977!"

Luke: "This blows, I could be shooting womprats in my T-16."

Vader: "That's nothing, I built my own podracer and I was ten years younger than you."

Luke: "I had to go all the way to Tosche Station for a few fucking power converters! Where the fuck do you think I was supposed to find podracer engines you flash fried fucktard?"

Palpatine: "Shhhh! Shut up this is the best part!"

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-12-11 05:12pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:Luke: "This blows, I could be shooting womprats in my T-16."

Vader: "That's nothing, I built my own podracer and I was ten years younger than you."

Luke: "I had to go all the way to Tosche Station for a few fucking power converters! Where the fuck do you think I was supposed to find podracer engines you flash fried fucktard?"

You've been reading this again, haven't you?