Most Fascinating Trek Culture

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-02-01 01:45am

Bertie Wooster wrote:I've always found the Romulans to be very interesting. Some parts of their culture reminds me of the Roman Republic, and they have that whole history as an off-shoot of the Vulcans. Kind of like the Americans being an off-shoot of the British. And there's also the fact that they were originally intended by Rodenbury as a metaphor for the isolationist Chinese.

TOS Romulans had that respectable and honorable mystique about them that I thought was conveyed very well in The Fist of the Empire fan-fiction. Unfortunately, they turned into the generic arrogant fall-guys in TNG, DS9, and VOY.

That's because the honor element got transplanted onto the Klingons. Personally, I'd love to see a Trek novel that examines how and why the TOS Romulan values morphed into the TNG Romulan ideals.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2004-02-01 06:27am

Admiral_K wrote:Have you seen many of the episodes from season 3? I'd doubt it. Most of the people here who criticize it have only seen a few episodes. and most of those were in season 1 to boot. Like I said, the end of Season 2 onward has been a much better series.

I'll elaborate: The show in general just seems more "Grown up". The episodes seem to make much better sense than in previous ones. The behavior of the people is much more what you would expect of "real" people. The episodes themselves have had a nice flow to them.

It's been short on the technobable and long on the action.

Regarding Enterprise, an old saying comes to mind. "Dog shit might not stink as much as pig shit, but no matter what, it's still shit."

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-02-01 03:00pm

Uraniun235 wrote:http://www.firsttvdrama.com/enterprise/index.php3

Yea, seasons 1 and 2 were full of crap episodes. But season 3 has been much improved.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2004-02-01 05:42pm

I've always been a big fan of the Romulans (part of the reason I don't plan to ever watch Nemesis). They always came off as menacing but honorable in TOS and TNG always seemed at its best when they were the villians. They were a race of roughly equal power and considerable guile, but there wasn't that overwhelming sense of doom like when teh borg was the enemy. I really liked that episode where Troi posed as a Romulan and the fans discover that the Romulans weren't all evil (gasp and choke!)

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2004-02-01 06:33pm

Romulans have always been my favourite Trek aliens due to their very interesting, shadowy nature. It was extremely sad to see them receive such a bad treatment in "Nemesis", but fortunately we will always have all those wonderful TNG, DS9 and, of course, TOS episodes where they appeared in. Actually, it was quite amazing how well they were handled (unlike the Borg, for example), until Logan and Spiner came up with their idea for Remans and Shinzon...

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2004-02-01 11:08pm

oh I like that one that looked like a human with a wierd nose... oh you know the one, it was after The Original Series that we saw him...

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-02 12:16am

Oberleutnant wrote:...Actually, it was quite amazing how well they were handled (unlike the Borg, for example), until Logan and Spiner came up with their idea for Remans and Shinzon

What the hell did Brent Spiner have to do with Nemesis, besides act in it? This is news to me.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-02-02 12:49am

Stofsk wrote:
Oberleutnant wrote:...Actually, it was quite amazing how well they were handled (unlike the Borg, for example), until Logan and Spiner came up with their idea for Remans and Shinzon
What the hell did Brent Spiner have to do with Nemesis, besides act in it? This is news to me.

He put Logan into contact with Berman and the production staff as well as contributing several ideas to the story, such as the death of Data.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-02 12:53am

JME2 wrote:
Stofsk wrote:
Oberleutnant wrote:...Actually, it was quite amazing how well they were handled (unlike the Borg, for example), until Logan and Spiner came up with their idea for Remans and Shinzon
What the hell did Brent Spiner have to do with Nemesis, besides act in it? This is news to me.
He put Logan into contact with Berman and the production staff as well as contributing several ideas to the story, such as the death of Data.

Maybe he was sick as shit of playing Data, and to be honest I can't blame him for that. Being in the same role for, what, 15 years? I'm sure it got boring. But as I bolded above, Oberleutenant suggests Spiner had some more influence than I reasonably expected him to have. That's why it's news to me.

Does anyone know what the hell Logan was thinking when he wrote this script? Is there a commentary on the disc or something? I mean, what the fuck?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-02-02 12:55am

The only commentary on the DVD is Stuart Baird.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-02-02 12:09pm

Stofsk wrote:
Oberleutnant wrote:...Actually, it was quite amazing how well they were handled (unlike the Borg, for example), until Logan and Spiner came up with their idea for Remans and Shinzon
What the hell did Brent Spiner have to do with Nemesis, besides act in it? This is news to me.

Well , he co-wrote it for a start.......
In the interviews on the dvd he mentions his other brother Lore, pitty he didn't make them rwrite in a refernce in really....

Sokartawi · Post by **Sokartawi** » 2004-02-02 07:30pm

Agent R wrote:Breen and Tholians.

What do they really look like

Ask Kira for the Breen, she stole one of their suits while getting Dukat's bitch out of that camp! And then later on they claimed no-one knows what they look like...

Anyway, Dominion until the later episodes of DS9 fucked them up and made them look like complete idiots, and Romulans until Nemises fucked them up and made them look like complete idiots (at least they still had nice clothing though).

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-02-03 08:20pm

Sokartawi wrote:
Agent R wrote:Breen and Tholians.

What do they really look like
Ask Kira for the Breen, she stole one of their suits while getting Dukat's bitch out of that camp! And then later on they claimed no-one knows what they look like...

Anyway, Dominion until the later episodes of DS9 fucked them up and made them look like complete idiots, and Romulans until Nemises fucked them up and made them look like complete idiots (at least they still had nice clothing though).

The Romulans, yes. As for the Breen, well, we should be happy that they finally had a major role to play in one the Trek shows other than ocassional mentions or apperances.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-02-04 02:07pm

The Romulans. Cold, efficient, arrogant

Until Nemesis, that is...

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2004-02-04 07:18pm

Garrrr. Pirates life for me. The Orions of TOS. I have not watched Enterprise, or all the episodes of DS9 and Voyager so I do not know if they are even mentioned again in cannon. Green slave women, pirating and the coolest looking ship of TOS.

If they did make a new series, I would like to see it aboard an Orion ship, and have the whole series of the cartels and such falling apart, and possibly how the ferengii (sp) take over.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-02-04 07:34pm

Sam Or I wrote:Garrrr. Pirates life for me. The Orions of TOS. I have not watched Enterprise, or all the episodes of DS9 and Voyager so I do not know if they are even mentioned again in cannon. Green slave women, pirating and the coolest looking ship of TOS.

If they did make a new series, I would like to see it aboard an Orion ship, and have the whole series of the cartels and such falling apart, and possibly how the ferengii (sp) take over.

There's one one 'i' in Ferengi