Valeris

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-13 10:18pm

Valeris was, as we know, Spock's student, his hope for the future who betrayed him and Starfleet during the Khitomer Accords. Does anyone know what happened to her following the unraveling of the conspiracy (other than a trial/imprisonment)?

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-01-13 10:49pm

I'm willing to bet Section 31 snared her up

Unfortunately, AFAIK, there is no official 'fate'

Agent R · Post by **Agent R** » 2004-01-13 11:22pm

Thinking of using her in a fic?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-14 01:24am

Agent R wrote:Thinking of using her in a fic?

Possibly, for The Best of Both Worlds. We'll just have to see...

Oh, and Agent R? Guess which agency is finally showing up?

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-01-14 01:28am

Solauren wrote:I'm willing to bet Section 31 snared her up

Unfortunately, AFAIK, there is no official 'fate'

What the hell? Is it just me or has nearly every "what happened to x character?" thread had some sort of "Section 31" reply crop up?

CDiehl · Post by **CDiehl** » 2004-01-14 02:10am

Because they're the Federation's Bermuda Triangle.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-01-14 02:30am

Why can't we assume, and quite rightly so, that she was charged with treason and shot - or, imprisoned?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-14 02:36am

Stofsk wrote:Why can't we assume, and quite rightly so, that she was charged with treason and shot - or, imprisoned?

Because with the exception of Talos IV, there is no death penalty in the Federation. most likely imprisoned and/or exiled from Vulcan.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-01-14 02:52am

JME2 wrote:
Stofsk wrote:Why can't we assume, and quite rightly so, that she was charged with treason and shot - or, imprisoned?
Because with the exception of Talos IV, there is no death penalty in the Federation. most likely imprisoned and/or exiled from Vulcan.

Point about the death penalty, so that means the most likely and plausible explanation was she was imprisoned. I mean treason is a serious offence, I doubt they would just exile her.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-14 02:54am

Stofsk wrote:
JME2 wrote:
Stofsk wrote:Why can't we assume, and quite rightly so, that she was charged with treason and shot - or, imprisoned?
Because with the exception of Talos IV, there is no death penalty in the Federation. most likely imprisoned and/or exiled from Vulcan.
Point about the death penalty, so that means the most likely and plausible explanation was she was imprisoned. I mean treason is a serious offence, I doubt they would just exile her.

Ah, but Spock is the son of one of Vulcan's most famous ambassadors/citizens who as of STVI was still kicking. They might have had some pull with the Vulcan government...

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-01-14 02:59am

JME2 wrote:Ah, but Spock is the son of one of Vulcan's most famous ambassadors/citizens who as of STVI was still kicking. They might have had some pull with the Vulcan government...

Then perhaps she was imprisoned on Vulcan, which should be the case anyway. But exile out of the Federation? For a capital crime like treason (yeah yeah I know there's no capital punishment - treason is still pretty serious)?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-01-14 03:00am

JME2 wrote:
Stofsk wrote:
JME2 wrote: Because with the exception of Talos IV, there is no death penalty in the Federation. most likely imprisoned and/or exiled from Vulcan.
Point about the death penalty, so that means the most likely and plausible explanation was she was imprisoned. I mean treason is a serious offence, I doubt they would just exile her.
Ah, but Spock is the son of one of Vulcan's most famous ambassadors/citizens who as of STVI was still kicking. They might have had some pull with the Vulcan government...

Why would Spock try to protect her? She betrayed him, the Federation, and Captain Kirk.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-01-14 06:30am

Depending on how young she was by the time of STIV even after imprisonment Valeris could have many years of life left to do whatever. I don't think the Feddies would imprison her for 200+ years even for treason.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-14 10:37am

Stofsk wrote:
JME2 wrote:Ah, but Spock is the son of one of Vulcan's most famous ambassadors/citizens who as of STVI was still kicking. They might have had some pull with the Vulcan government...
Then perhaps she was imprisoned on Vulcan, which should be the case anyway. But exile out of the Federation? For a capital crime like treason (yeah yeah I know there's no capital punishment - treason is still pretty serious)?

I said she might have been exiled from Vulcan - no the Federation.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2004-01-14 03:52pm

Well, her crimes were against the Klingon Empire as well as against the Federation, so perhaps, in order to get around the "no death penalty" bit, she could be tried according to Klingon law.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2004-01-14 05:12pm

SPECULATION: Valeris was sentenced to rehabilitation in a Vulcan facility, where she would be subject to extensive behavior modification therapy using both conditioning methods and telepathy. I submit that the Vulcans would consider this a very "humane" and logical way to treat a criminal. After a period of years, she was would probably be released but not given permission to travel off Vulcan. By TNG, she would probably have a mid-level public service assignment somewhere on Vulcan.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-01-14 06:43pm

RedImperator wrote:
JME2 wrote:
Stofsk wrote: Point about the death penalty, so that means the most likely and plausible explanation was she was imprisoned. I mean treason is a serious offence, I doubt they would just exile her.
Ah, but Spock is the son of one of Vulcan's most famous ambassadors/citizens who as of STVI was still kicking. They might have had some pull with the Vulcan government...
Why would Spock try to protect her? She betrayed him, the Federation, and Captain Kirk.

By Vulcan POV such a thing will be against logic

but as far as I remember Spock is half human and emotions will not be such an imposible part of him (although I've only seen a couple of ST movies of the Kirk era and I might be wrong

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JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-14 07:45pm

Comosicus wrote:
RedImperator wrote:
JME2 wrote: Ah, but Spock is the son of one of Vulcan's most famous ambassadors/citizens who as of STVI was still kicking. They might have had some pull with the Vulcan government...
Why would Spock try to protect her? She betrayed him, the Federation, and Captain Kirk.
By Vulcan POV such a thing will be against logic but as far as I remember Spock is half human and emotions will not be such an imposible part of him (although I've only seen a couple of ST movies of the Kirk era and I might be wrong )

Half-Vulcan or not, you saw how furious Spock was with Valeris' actions. I meant he might implore the Vulcan government to punish Valeris in accordance with Vulcan law, but with larger a punishment, say, exile from the planet or something.