What's so bad about crew quarters?

[Natorgator]

A common sentiment here is that Starfleet crews having their own private quarters is a bad thing, and should be eliminated.

Why are they so bad? Starfleet ships are obviously not lacking space. Would they not help crew morale while being out years at a time, and almost never living planetside?

[Lancer]

A common sentiment here is that Starfleet crews having their own private quarters is a bad thing, and should be eliminated.

Why are they so bad? Starfleet ships are obviously not lacking space. Would they not help crew morale while being out years at a time, and almost never living planetside?

The thread in question was what would you do to make the Galaxy class a battleship.

Requests for smaller crew quarters relflected the fact that the crew have quarters bigger than a modern luxury suite.

[Gunshy]

It's about efficiency. Why make a room needless large when it doesn't have to be? It's a warship, not the fucking Carnival Cruise. Big quarters mean wasted space.

Morale was fine in TOS. Remember scotty saying in relics how even admirals didn't have such quarters? Besides, it'd think that the masturbation chamber...that is to say the holodeck when be a better morale boost than big rooms.

[RogueIce]

Space, for one. Cut down on those huge quarters, you have room for something else. Plus, if you're gonna have any kind of sizeable ground force or whatnot on board, huge quarters would be no good to you. But, having never seen a floorplan of a GCS I don't know how much else you could put in the freed space, or where it is, etc. Which is why I'll rely on those more knowledgable than I for that.

A part can also be psychological. If you're in a military starship, and have to prepare for war, the crew quarters would be more of a "mindset" thing, and also bonding. Nice, spacious, individual quarters aren't as good as reinforcing that you have to live, work, and fight with these people than more traditional crew quarters.

I'm certain it can be worded better, I'm just not able to tonight. *sigh*

[Jason von Evil]

Not all crewmembers had their own quarters. Ensigns, apparently doubled or even tripled up. On the E-D atleast, you had to reach the rank of Lieutenant Junior Grade before you could get your own quarter. Of course, the E-D was like a frickin city, so that's no surprise. I'd suspect that you'd have to be atleast a full lieutenant or a member of the senior staff before getting your own quarters.

Also, in one of the TOS era movies, UDC, I believe, several crewmembers slept in one room in bunks.

[RogueIce]

Not all crewmembers had their own quarters. Ensigns, apparently doubled or even tripled up. On the E-D atleast, you had to reach the rank of Lieutenant Junior Grade before you could get your own quarter. Of course, the E-D was like a frickin city, so that's no surprise. I'd suspect that you'd have to be atleast a full lieutenant or a member of the senior staff before getting your own quarters.

Also, in one of the TOS era movies, UDC, I believe, several crewmembers slept in one room in bunks.

LTJG isn't that high up in Starfleet, at least from what I remember. Aside from "Chief" O'Brien I can't recall any enlisted crewmen from beyond Enterprise and TOS. So, the lowest rank I ever saw was Ensign.

Did O'Brien have the little rank pip thingies himself? I can't recall any pics of him.

[Jason von Evil]

Not all crewmembers had their own quarters. Ensigns, apparently doubled or even tripled up. On the E-D atleast, you had to reach the rank of Lieutenant Junior Grade before you could get your own quarter. Of course, the E-D was like a frickin city, so that's no surprise. I'd suspect that you'd have to be atleast a full lieutenant or a member of the senior staff before getting your own quarters.

Also, in one of the TOS era movies, UDC, I believe, several crewmembers slept in one room in bunks.

LTJG isn't that high up in Starfleet, at least from what I remember. Aside from "Chief" O'Brien I can't recall any enlisted crewmen from beyond Enterprise and TOS. So, the lowest rank I ever saw was Ensign.

Did O'Brien have the little rank pip thingies himself? I can't recall any pics of him.

EAS has pics of SF ranks and they show ranks below ensign. Also, remember that at the end of the VOY episode "Equinox", Janeway demoted all the surviving crewmembers of the Equinox to crewmen. Plus, I remember seeing crewmen in some episodes of VOY. They pretty much have no pips.

[RogueIce]

EAS has pics of SF ranks and they show ranks below ensign. Also, remember that at the end of the VOY episode "Equinox", Janeway demoted all the surviving crewmembers of the Equinox to crewmen. Plus, I remember seeing crewmen in some episodes of VOY. They pretty much have no pips.

Sure, throw in the series I never watched whydon'cha?

Anyway, is EAS official or fan based? I never remember seeing anyone without any pips in TNG.

As for O'Brien, I guess I'll go see if I can find a picture of him somewhere...

Well, I saw it on DITL, and it looked like he had LT pips on the Ent-D, and I can't make out what he had for DS9. *shrug*

And where's the rank thing at EAS? I couldn't find it.

[Rhoades]

Did O'Brien have the little rank pip thingies himself? I can't recall any pics of him.

Well, I remember one Voyager episode (I might had been the ghost story one, I don't recall as I channel surf after 5-10 minutes) that made references to rank of some the nameless extra as "Crewman", this might be Starfleet version of a Seaman.

While, I'm on the subject about crew quarters. I agree with everyone, that the luxary suites on the Enterprise is a waste of space. You really do not need all that living space to survive. All a person should need is a bed, locker to store their uniforms, and maybe some shelf space for personal momentos.

[Jason von Evil]

SF uniform section in Galleries.

[Tribun]

This is the Ranking of a board, directly tranlated from the series:

http://www.scifi-forum.de/misc.php?s=&a ... age=1#rank


And by the way, TOS managed far better with quarters, ST VI clealy showing the living arrengements of the crewmen and sub-officers.

[RogueIce]

SF uniform section in Galleries.

Ok, the only thing I see on there for TNG and further that hints at Enlisted ranks is a name pin.

And apparently "Chief of Operations" which is what O'Brien was (IIRC) is it's own rank doodad thing, and is listed under the officer's column anyway. But why did he have LT pips in TNG? I figure that CoO is some kind of special officer rank or whatnot, and he got it. But I don't know if that's what he wears or not, since all I could see in the one pic was something vaguly gray...

Ok, looking at EAS pics, he has that CoO pin in DS9 with the "FC style" uniforms, and for TNG...I don't see him at all.

And Tribun: where'd they get the Enlisted ranks from? Since I can't read German, I have no hope of finding it there.

[aerius]

A common sentiment here is that Starfleet crews having their own private quarters is a bad thing, and should be eliminated.

Why are they so bad? Starfleet ships are obviously not lacking space. Would they not help crew morale while being out years at a time, and almost never living planetside?

If every single crewman had their own quarters it would actually reduce morale and kill social interactions. The crew would not have any integrity, and no one will really get to know people other than their co-workers. Think about this, when you go to college or university they put in dorms and pair you up with roomates. Besides saving space, you get to know, socialize, and become friends with people you otherwise wouldn't. You get to be part of the "team", same thing on a starship. You get a comradarie with your fellow crewmen that you wouldn't have with individual rooms, and in a starship that's quite important.

[General Zod]

it could simply be that the GCS has alot of single quarters for Lt.s and above simply because it has the space. on the defiant, which is as pure a warship as i think the fleet has, the quarters are very small and obviously not designed to be luxurious like on a GCS.

[Patrick Degan]

it could simply be that the GCS has alot of single quarters for Lt.s and above simply because it has the space. on the defiant, which is as pure a warship as i think the fleet has, the quarters are very small and obviously not designed to be luxurious like on a GCS.

That's not sufficent reason to allocate such huge space to personal quarters. Horribly inefficent usage of internal volume which can be devoted to extra machinery or bulk storage. Indeed, the entire GCS is a testimony to how to do everything in the least sensible and efficent manner possible —in addition to how not to engineer a starship.

[Lonestar]

A common sentiment here is that Starfleet crews having their own private quarters is a bad thing, and should be eliminated.

Why are they so bad? Starfleet ships are obviously not lacking space. Would they not help crew morale while being out years at a time, and almost never living planetside?

Hell, let's see here...

They could have extra storerooms, extra equipment labs, extra holodecks, extra shield generators, extra power plants, extra holodecks......

[Jason von Evil]

Brothels! Brothels with the finest whores in the quadrants.

[Sharp-kun]

Brothels! Brothels with the finest whores in the quadrants.

That falls under holodecks

[Jason von Evil]

Brothels! Brothels with the finest whores in the quadrants.

That falls under holodecks

Fuck holodecks, I'm talking the real thing. Go to the GQ and get some changlings and turn them into sex slaves. Able to assume any shape.

[Sharp-kun]

Brothels! Brothels with the finest whores in the quadrants.

That falls under holodecks

Fuck holodecks, I'm talking the real thing. Go to the GQ and get some changlings and turn them into sex slaves. Able to assume any shape.

All my twisted anime fanatsies would become reality....

[Jeremy]

Some how, just some how, I knew it would eventually come down to changling sex.

[Natorgator]

If every single crewman had their own quarters it would actually reduce morale and kill social interactions. The crew would not have any integrity, and no one will really get to know people other than their co-workers. Think about this, when you go to college or university they put in dorms and pair you up with roomates. Besides saving space, you get to know, socialize, and become friends with people you otherwise wouldn't. You get to be part of the "team", same thing on a starship. You get a comradarie with your fellow crewmen that you wouldn't have with individual rooms, and in a starship that's quite important.

That's actually a very good point, I didn't think of it that way. In any case, I do think the size quarters they have is somewhat excessive, but I like the idea of putting 4 or so to a room and perhaps cutting down on wasted space. I was thinking that people wanted it to be submarine style where there's 16 bunks to a room or something.

[Howedar]

The way you worded things, it is as if Starfleet was given a design for a GCS, then had nothing else to do with the volume so they allocated the space to crew quarters. In fact, they had to design the GCS with so much useless space. Had they designed the GCS properly, it could be half the size with the same capability. Hence it would be less resource-intensive to build and they could have built more of them.

[Uraniun235]

The way you worded things, it is as if Starfleet was given a design for a GCS, then had nothing else to do with the volume so they allocated the space to crew quarters. In fact, they had to design the GCS with so much useless space. Had they designed the GCS properly, it could be half the size with the same capability. Hence it would be less resource-intensive to build and they could have built more of them.

Good point. According to the TM, it took thirteen years for the Enterprise to be built and commissioned.

[paladin]

I wonder how much enlisted in SF would like "hot bunking?" "Hot bunking" is where 2 crew members would share the same bunk. One crew member would be sleeping in the bunk while the other is on duty.