Miranda and Nebula

Enola Straight · Post by **Enola Straight** » 2003-12-16 09:18pm

Starfleet seems to be in the habit of making sub-compact versions of its main capital ships:

Constitution:Miranda
Galaxy:Nebula

What are the Miranda/Nebula vesions of the Excelsior, Ambassador, and Soverign classes?

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-12-16 09:27pm

Excelsior : Constellation(?)
Ambassador : Unknown/Nonexistent (The Ambassador seemed to have a rather short run anyways)
Soveriegn : Akira

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-12-16 10:19pm

The Centaur would be the counterpart to the Excelsior.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-12-16 10:36pm

The Constellation is actualy a fully evolved design from the Constitution/Miranda designs. It incorperates much of the same technology and creates a far superior combat ship. It has 4 forward torpedo launchers compared to the others having just two.

Now the Miranda/Nebula bit is even more interesting because both follow similar design implications.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-12-16 10:49pm

Enola Straight wrote:Starfleet seems to be in the habit of making sub-compact versions of its main capital ships:

Constitution:Miranda
Galaxy:Nebula

What are the Miranda/Nebula vesions of the Excelsior, Ambassador, and Soverign classes?

There is a design lineage for the "Miranda" that follows these lines, but most of the ships in that lineage are non-canon.

Excelsior = Leavenworth

The Ambassador also has a Miranda-style variant that I can't locate an image of right now, and the Sovereign-class has the Independence variant, which I've discussed (and probably posted a pic of) elsewhere.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-12-16 10:57pm

No, Excelsior = Centaur

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-12-16 11:37pm

http://www.trekmania.net/art/apollo_class.htm

The Apollo class is apparently an unseen canon ship. That's one of the artist renditions of what it may have looked like.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-12-16 11:47pm

Aya wrote:unseen canon

A contradiction in terms.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-12-17 12:04am

Howedar wrote:
Aya wrote:unseen canon
A contradiction in terms.

It was mentioned on screen, apparently but not seen.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-12-17 01:22am

RD Jr. the ship you present looks similar to the Centaur class, when did the person originally come up with that design? because it looks like they tried to rename a canon ship class...

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-12-17 01:30am

Death from the Sea wrote:RD Jr. the ship you present looks similar to the Centaur class, when did the person originally come up with that design? because it looks like they tried to rename a canon ship class...

Naw, the Centaur's nacelle pylons are different, more akin to the Connies.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-12-17 02:01am

Aya wrote:It was mentioned on screen, apparently but not seen.

Yes, I interpreted "seen" too broadly.

Conceded.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-12-17 02:47am

Aya wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:RD Jr. the ship you present looks similar to the Centaur class, when did the person originally come up with that design? because it looks like they tried to rename a canon ship class...
Naw, the Centaur's nacelle pylons are different, more akin to the Connies.

notice I said "similar"

other than the pylons though is there a difference? I mean if I take the Enterprise-E and give it pylons that are 90 degree angles rather than a straight pylon angled off the engineering hull. is it really a new ship class?

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2003-12-17 08:34am

Death from the Sea wrote:I mean if I take the Enterprise-E and give it pylons that are 90 degree angles rather than a straight pylon angled off the engineering hull. is it really a new ship class?

I would call it a subclass, or variant.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-12-17 10:44am

Here are two real shots of the Centaur model.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/artic ... ur_top.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/artic ... r_side.jpg

As you can see the warp naceles are not any seen before. From the side they appear to be the naceles shown on the Miranda and Constitution, but from a top view its obvious they are not.

Here is a Star Trek Magazine shot.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... ur-cgi.jpg

It appears the Centaur uses a similar but smaller version of the Excelsior saucer while it uses a stock Excelsior bridge and Miranda torpedo launcher. The warp naceles are also newly built because they do not resemble any others seen before. The design has a lot of thought put into it and the custom sized excelsior saucer indicates that this wasn't a last minute desperation ship on the part of Starfleet.

Here is another interesting Excelsior variant.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/artic ... 3views.gif

Given that it merely uses stock parts this might be Starfleets attempt at creating a longer range or faster ship to stay up with newer Starfleet vessels.

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