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Stofsk wrote:I'll echo that sentiment, and add: "perhaps someone should consider this as a fanfic idea?" I'd consider it, but my knowledge of Voyager and the Delta quadrant universe isn't up to it.
I am considering it, but I often do so, don't get your hopes up...

Right folks, we need Romulan characters!
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NecronLord wrote:I am considering it, but I often do so, don't get your hopes up...

Right folks, we need Romulan characters!
No Sela - she's the "Admiral Daala" of the Star Trek universe.

Commander Taris (I think that's her name) the Warbird Commander from "Face of the Enemy." She's a woman, so she fits into the "Voyager needs a female captain" premise. She's also bitter, for various reasons. She hates the Tal'Shiar with a passion - they took away her elderly father for "sedition" (it was bunk - he was just voicing his opinion - tell that to the KGB though :P ). Of particular note was a raid against a Klingon outpost. The Rommies came in cloaked, and had intel that the outpost wasn't defended. When they began their attack a Klingon squadron decloaked and opened fire. Taris took command and turned what could have been a rout into a stunning Rommie victory. (the intel operator - a Tal'Shiar operative - was executed for his fuckup - a point of pride for Taris)

Subcommander Telok (I think that's her name) was the Rommie representative to DS9 whose job it was to oversee the installation of the cloaking device to the Defiant. I don't know what happened to her (does anyone have the season 3 DS9 DVDs? Do they make any mention of her?).

Tomalok, (played by Andreas Katsulas - G'Kar to us B5 fans) was a regular Rommie character and was more competent than Sela; but that doesn't say much :? . I picture him being an Admiral by this time in the story. Not sure where you can go with him.

There was a Romulan Admiral in "Data's Day" - the only time we ever see him, and he completely shits all over Picard and the Federation. Basically he manages to recover a spy from the Federation, and when Picard tries to recover her, the Admiral outmaneuvers him. I can't remember his name. Again, I'm not sure where you can go with him, but he could very well be the "villian" of the story, regardless of viewpoint (if through the Federation viewpoint, he's the one the "heroes" have to outthink; if through the Rommie viewpoint, he could be the ruthless Intel Admiral who'll fuck over his own people for an advantage.)

Those three are the immediate ones I can think of, and they're ones that have appeared before in the show. If you want help designing original Romulan characters I can help there as well. There are other Rommies that have appeared throughout ST. Nemesis is one possibility - but I foresee the characters from that film being only used if you are truly desperate.
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Stofsk wrote: Tomalok, (played by Andreas Katsulas - G'Kar to us B5 fans) was a regular Rommie character and was more competent than Sela; but that doesn't say much :? . I picture him being an Admiral by this time in the story. Not sure where you can go with him.
AFAIK, he's a senior commander...
Those three are the immediate ones I can think of, and they're ones that have appeared before in the show. If you want help designing original Romulan characters I can help there as well. There are other Rommies that have appeared throughout ST. Nemesis is one possibility - but I foresee the characters from that film being only used if you are truly desperate.
Yah, original characters are good...
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How about making them an older and experienced crew?

Voyager's crew seemed mostly green.

It's hard for me to think up characters without them being stereotypical. Though a couple of Tuvok like characters might be nice. And a real Tomalak like commander would be cool.

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evilcat4000 wrote:The Warbird is slower than a GCS and probobly slower than Voyger. However it has a quantum singularity based warp core which means dilithium or anti-matter is not going to be a big problem. It may even be able to maintain maximum warp indefinately giving it a higher speed in the long run.
Actually, the Intrepid class is faster even than a war GCS. But I fail to see how it can maintain any speed indefinitely. Black holes do not simply radiate unlimited energy without decreasing in mass. The QS drive does need fuel - to inject into the singularity. The singularity releases microwaves, which are harnessed to power the ship.
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Tech aside (although the Warbird is better equipped for looting), the Warbird will be more ruthless all around. There are plenty of situations where Voyager had a way home and chose not to take it for some ethical reason. Any non-Federation (hell, even a 22nd century Vulcan) ship would have gotten home in those situations.

And the planet the Ferengi took over didn't have warp drive, IIRC. They weren't conquered by force - they were simply awed into revering the Ferengi because of the Ferengi's tech (replicators and exploding shuttles and such).
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I've taken the liberty of figuring out how Romulans might have acted in various Voyager eps.



Parallax
Wouldn't have cared

Time and Again
Wouldn't have cared

Phage
Assuming they were still on that planet, I wouldn't be surprised if they were armed, and if the lungs were still pinched, they'd kill whoever to get them back.

The Cloud
Wouldn't care

Eye of the Needle
Honestly have no idea

Ex Post Facto
Would have just taken their guy and run off

Emanations
Wouldn't have cared

Prime Factors
Probably ended the same way as Voyager, thought the AQS might make things interesting

State of Flux
Treacherous crewman executed

Heroes and Demons
No holodecks on the ship I would think. If there are, they send an armed team in, or program some sort of armed team.

Cathexis
Wouldn't have happened

Faces
Wouldn't have happened, but assuming there was some sort of good Romulan immune system, they would have just blasted the shit out of the place and taken him back.

Jetrel
Probably no Neelix, but they might still ask for the secret to his weapon.

Learning Curve
I doubt there'd be Maquis (Wouldn't it be cool if there were though)
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Gandalf wrote:Learning Curve
I doubt there'd be Maquis (Wouldn't it be cool if there were though)
There would have to be some connection between the Romulans and the Maquis, as the Caretaker took ships out from the Badlands (at least, Chakotay's and Janeway's ships were in the Badlands when they were scooped up). Perhaps the Romulans were secretly funding the Maquis with weapons and military advisers against the Cardassians and Federation? The Warbird was en route to deliver supplies when they receive a bizzare distress call from a Maquis raider.

When they investigate (under cloak, of course) they get scooped up to the DQ. There the same thing happens to the Rommies that happened to the Maquis, but because Romulan engineering is more sound than Starfleet (I know it's an assumption. :P :wink: ) no exploding-consoles-of-death which means less if any at all casualties to the Romulan ships. They hook up with the small Maquis raider, take on the Caretaker and, assuming that the Array can't be salvaged (let's say the same contrived events occur to strand the Rommies and Maquis in the DQ - that's if you want to stick true to the Voyager premise) the Rommies have a warbird and a small raider.

The raider maintains it's usefulness in events where some subtletly and stealth are required (where it would be impractical or unfavourable to risk the Warbird). Due to their alliance the Maquis raider now sports a cloaking device (if their shuttles can have cloaking devices there's no reason why they can't rip one out and put it on the raider - it might be a jury-rigged job, which could serve to increase tension on those cloak&dagger missions where the field could go out at anytime). Because of their greater strategic advantages the initial villians can't be written off as moronic arseholes. The Kazon need to pick up the pace for them to remain a credible threat.

Also, no stupid touchy-feely missions which have the Romulans stopping to investigate a nebula because it looks pretty. The maquis crew might be more ambivalent towards the Romulans as well. After all, given the risks of the unknown I doubt a Romulan commander will necessarily risk the Warbird when he can get the Maquis to do the dirty work. The Maquis might begin to resent this, leading to a possible mutiny. Perhaps at the same time the Romulan crew is 50/50 on the politics, and some feel that the Maquis are worthy allies while others feel they're expendable etc.

I'm not sure if there should be any starfleet infiltrators. But if there are I'd put them on the Warbird - the initial assumption to an infiltration will automatically fall onto the Maquis crew (them being the most obvious). Once again it would be cool and atypical to view the Starfleet infiltrator as a villian in his own right - something we rarely see is the Starfleet officer or operative who's a villian not for being a rogue or renegade but for being exactly what he's supposed to be, what he was trained to be.

The differences between the Romulans and the Maquis will be more pronounced than they were depicted with the Voyager crew. The Maquis will think like guerrilas, while the Rommies will think "we've got a massive capship, we don't need to hit-and-fade etc." In any case I should think the dynamic would be greater than the one on Voyager, that had Chakotay advocating a strategy, then getting rebuffed by Janeway for no good reason other than "'Coz I'm in charge, that's why!" :wink:
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The one thing Voyager would have on the Warbird is that it was much faster, this would be an issue becasue Voyager tended to be just faster than the Kazon.
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Gandalf wrote:The one thing Voyager would have on the Warbird is that it was much faster, this would be an issue becasue Voyager tended to be just faster than the Kazon.
Superior firepower and surprise tactics can do wonders to discourage pursuit. :wink: 8) :P
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Gandalf wrote:The one thing Voyager would have on the Warbird is that it was much faster, this would be an issue becasue Voyager tended to be just faster than the Kazon.
Superior firepower and surprise tactics can do wonders to discourage pursuit. :wink: 8) :P
I don't think the Kazon are that smart. :D
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Gandalf wrote:I don't think the Kazon are that smart. :D
Which is one of the reasons why they will be destroyed so easily... :twisted:
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Stofsk wrote:
Gandalf wrote:I don't think the Kazon are that smart. :D
Which is one of the reasons why they will be destroyed so easily... :twisted:
I guess either way it's funny. The cloak would confuse the hell out of the Kazon. :D
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Metrion Cascade wrote: Actually, the Intrepid class is faster even than a war GCS. But I fail to see how it can maintain any speed indefinitely. Black holes do not simply radiate unlimited energy without decreasing in mass. The QS drive does need fuel - to inject into the singularity. The singularity releases microwaves, which are harnessed to power the ship.
Fed ships have ramscoops for picking up material (various eps) the romulans could just funnel that material (assuming their tech is similar in that department, and given the nacelles, I believe it to be) into the singularity, and wouldn't need to process it. Also, they can simply stop at a planet, and transport up vast amounts of iron ore (Scotty could manage 400 tons of mateiral on a BoP in ST4) to use. They could do this while cloaked (Scotty did it while cloaked) negating any risk or neccessity to interact with the locals.

Given the vast amount of space aboard the D'deridex class, I imagine they could hold many kilotons of iron in there with no problems.
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Stofsk wrote: There would have to be some connection between the Romulans and the Maquis, as the Caretaker took ships out from the Badlands (at least, Chakotay's and Janeway's ships were in the Badlands when they were scooped up). Perhaps the Romulans were secretly funding the Maquis with weapons and military advisers against the Cardassians and Federation? The Warbird was en route to deliver supplies when they receive a bizzare distress call from a Maquis raider.

When they investigate (under cloak, of course) they get scooped up to the DQ. There the same thing happens to the Rommies that happened to the Maquis, but because Romulan engineering is more sound than Starfleet (I know it's an assumption. :P :wink: ) no exploding-consoles-of-death which means less if any at all casualties to the Romulan ships. They hook up with the small Maquis raider, take on the Caretaker and, assuming that the Array can't be salvaged (let's say the same contrived events occur to strand the Rommies and Maquis in the DQ - that's if you want to stick true to the Voyager premise) the Rommies have a warbird and a small raider.
We have a pilot I think...
The raider maintains it's usefulness in events where some subtletly and stealth are required (where it would be impractical or unfavourable to risk the Warbird). Due to their alliance the Maquis raider now sports a cloaking device (if their shuttles can have cloaking devices there's no reason why they can't rip one out and put it on the raider - it might be a jury-rigged job, which could serve to increase tension on those cloak&dagger missions where the field could go out at anytime).
Yah. Also there's the scout ship, which is about the smaller than a Marquis raider IIRC.
Also, no stupid touchy-feely missions which have the Romulans stopping to investigate a nebula because it looks pretty.
I don't think even the voyager crew did that...
The maquis crew might be more ambivalent towards the Romulans as well. After all, given the risks of the unknown I doubt a Romulan commander will necessarily risk the Warbird when he can get the Maquis to do the dirty work. The Maquis might begin to resent this, leading to a possible mutiny. Perhaps at the same time the Romulan crew is 50/50 on the politics, and some feel that the Maquis are worthy allies while others feel they're expendable etc.
I don't see much chance of a mutiny succeeding. Hell, if it were to happen, the marquis would likely be decimated (Roman theme after all) which could make some rather good drama. And I wouldn't skimp on killing the likes of Chakotay.
I'm not sure if there should be any starfleet infiltrators. But if there are I'd put them on the Warbird - the initial assumption to an infiltration will automatically fall onto the Maquis crew (them being the most obvious). Once again it would be cool and atypical to view the Starfleet infiltrator as a villian in his own right - something we rarely see is the Starfleet officer or operative who's a villian not for being a rogue or renegade but for being exactly what he's supposed to be, what he was trained to be.
That would be good...
The differences between the Romulans and the Maquis will be more pronounced than they were depicted with the Voyager crew. The Maquis will think like guerrilas, while the Rommies will think "we've got a massive capship, we don't need to hit-and-fade etc." In any case I should think the dynamic would be greater than the one on Voyager, that had Chakotay advocating a strategy, then getting rebuffed by Janeway for no good reason other than "'Coz I'm in charge, that's why!" :wink:
Our warbird needs a name...
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NecronLord wrote:Our warbird needs a name...
How about the M'anveru. It sounds kind of cool.
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Gandalf wrote: How about the M'anveru. It sounds kind of cool.
Humm...

How about the Imperial Romulan Warbird Khazara from 'Face of the enemy?'

The captain was Commander Toreth BTW...

And the admiral mentioned above was MENDAK, a Romulan Admiral

(I've been doing some research...)
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NecronLord wrote:
Gandalf wrote: How about the M'anveru. It sounds kind of cool.
Humm...

How about the Imperial Romulan Warbird Khazara from 'Face of the enemy?'

The captain was Commander Toreth BTW...

And the admiral mentioned above was MENDAK, a Romulan Admiral

(I've been doing some research...)
I'm not sure what you're on about.
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The names were in reference to some of the characters mentioned in Stofsk's post above.
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Ah ok, my bad, I thought you were just going nuts.
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Gandalf wrote:Ah ok, my bad, I thought you were just going nuts.
Me going nuts, you ought to know better than that. I'm already nuts
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NecronLord wrote:
Gandalf wrote:Ah ok, my bad, I thought you were just going nuts.
Me going nuts, you ought to know better than that. I'm already nuts
Explains a lot.

Any other name contenders?
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Gandalf wrote: Explains a lot.
Of course
Any other name contenders?
Don't think so. N.B. runner up names will be used for shuttles...

So if it were to be written in the same format as the series, after the pilot, would we have the array disabled, and the warbird stranded, and the romulans trying to get home, or would we have it work, and the RSE start setting up in the delta quadrant?
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NecronLord wrote:
Gandalf wrote: Explains a lot.
Of course
This must be starting to look silly to the norms
Any other name contenders?
Don't think so. N.B. runner up names will be used for shuttles...
Cool.
So if it were to be written in the same format as the series, after the pilot, would we have the array disabled, and the warbird stranded, and the romulans trying to get home, or would we have it work, and the RSE start setting up in the delta quadrant?
I like the idea of having it initially disabled, so in the start they can only bring in smaller vessels, then have them bring the big stuff. :twisted:
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Gandalf wrote: I like the idea of having it initially disabled, so in the start they can only bring in smaller vessels, then have them bring the big stuff. :twisted:
Humm... I think we could work that angle...

So, I assume I can sign you up to join the writing staff of Star Trek: RSE (Tagline, 'Proving that X mad nerds can crank out better stuff based on the same premise than B&B')
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