Voyager and Cloaking devices

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2003-12-12 09:27pm

I was reading the post on a Warbird in the Delta Quadrant and ask a question. Why the hell did not the crew of Voyager make the ship a cloaking device. They seem to known how to and would increase safety greatly. They are too far away from Federation space to worry about the treaty with Romulans and could just destroy it when they get close to home.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2003-12-12 09:51pm

They may have known how, but did they have the parts? What goes into making a cloak?

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2003-12-12 09:54pm

Rogue 9 wrote:They may have known how, but did they have the parts? What goes into making a cloak?

Well, they made them at DS-9 seeming to use the replicator.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2003-12-12 10:11pm

Oh yeah. The ubiquitous replicators.

So, perhaps they were just stupid? I don't know, if they can replicate the parts then you have a point.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-12-12 10:24pm

I am sure Janeway would have come up with some bullshit excuse about how not only does it violate the Treaty of Algeron(even though it really wouldn't), but about how it would interfere with their mission of exploration to seek out new life and new civiliazations etc, etc... how that if they secluded themselves with a cloak they could not carry on the mission of Starfleet, which she placed above the wellbeing of her crew countless times.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2003-12-12 10:26pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Oh yeah. The ubiquitous replicators. So, perhaps they were just stupid? I don't know, if they can replicate the parts then you have a point.

I am not a big fan of replicators either but it is a part of the universe. Even so, we shoudl assume that they have advanced machine shops.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-12-13 01:36am

Kitsune wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:They may have known how, but did they have the parts? What goes into making a cloak?
Well, they made them at DS-9 seeming to use the replicator.

When, and by that I mean episode, did the crew of DS9 use a replicator to build a cloaking device?

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2003-12-13 02:50am

I will make a point that they used a poor mans cloaking device in VOY Dark Frontier, that shielded them from Borg sensor technology.

I frigen also asked many times why the frag Janeway never built a cloaking device. To HELL with the treaty. Hell, I'm sure once they contacted the AQ, Janeway could easily have asked the Federation to talk to the Romulans.

They could have quite easily negotiated a special dispensation for Voyager using a cloaking device in exchange for the massive amount of data they collected in the DQ, I'm rather sure.

Though it would have been the most useful in early Voyager, when they were under constent attack from the Kazon and such. A cloaking device, especialy after Seska left the ship, would have been a rather useful thing.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2003-12-13 02:51am

Stofsk wrote:
Kitsune wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:They may have known how, but did they have the parts? What goes into making a cloak?
Well, they made them at DS-9 seeming to use the replicator.
When, and by that I mean episode, did the crew of DS9 use a replicator to build a cloaking device?

You know that massive self replicating cloaked minefield?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-12-13 03:00am

Ah yes. I had forgotten about that minefield.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-12-13 07:17am

Chris OFarrell wrote:I frigen also asked many times why the frag Janeway never built a cloaking device. To HELL with the treaty. Hell, I'm sure once they contacted the AQ, Janeway could easily have asked the Federation to talk to the Romulans.

They could have quite easily negotiated a special dispensation for Voyager using a cloaking device in exchange for the massive amount of data they collected in the DQ, I'm rather sure.

1) They wouldn't even have to tell the rommies, they'd just stop using once they we're back in the AQ.

2) The only problem i can see is how would they know how to build a cloaking device? In ds9 the could just duplicate the on the defiant. But Voyager they had no one to base it off. It wouldn't suprise me if starfleet didn't but replicator patterns for cloaking devicce into their replicators.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2003-12-13 11:22am

Crazedwraith wrote: 2) The only problem i can see is how would they know how to build a cloaking device? In ds9 the could just duplicate the on the defiant. But Voyager they had no one to base it off. It wouldn't suprise me if starfleet didn't but replicator patterns for cloaking devicce into their replicators.

There is the possibility that what you is true. My arguments against this is the more advanced claoking device tthe Federation created indicates that the technology is fairly well understood, they know how to detect ships with older cloaking devices without any problems. That would indicate that the technology is fairly well understood. As well, the Maquis had purchased cloaking devices from the Romulans and they woudl have studied them..or at least I would have. I could accept that they did not have one instantly but I think they could have designed one. If they even discussed the concept of one, that would have worked for me.