Starship swap - Nemesis

TurboPhaser · Post by **TurboPhaser** » 2003-11-27 09:18am

Instead of the E-E in the Nemesis Rift battle, lets say they managed to defeat the junkyard BOP in Generations and the E-D was around for Nemesis.

Would the Generations E-D do as well or better in the Rift battle? Would they have survived up to the ramming?

How would the E-D have handled the ramming?

Post your thoughts!

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-11-27 09:24am

The Enterprise-E is a Sovereign-class battleship. The Enterprise-D is a Galaxy-class Pleasure Yaht (with interiors that resemble a shabby Hilton

). If a junkyard BOP can prevail against the D (well, up to a point), then I can quite confidently predict that it would be annihilated by the Scimitar.

Basically, it wouldn't survive long enough and do enough damage to the Scimitar to be in the position the E was with the "ramming speed" thing.

Tangent: why does ST say that if the battle is going badly, just ram the enemy and you're automatically guranteed to do more damage? Worf and Riker were about to do the same thing against the Borg (the former in FC, the latter in BOBW).

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-11-27 09:47am

In BoBW it's quite clear that the enterprise would be destroyed if they rammed.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-11-27 10:13am

NecronLord wrote:In BoBW it's quite clear that the enterprise would be destroyed if they rammed.

Yes, but the assumption was that the Borg cube would've been destroyed. My point was that the option of retreat, reassess, and return never occurred to them; and that ramming them would destroy the enemy, when their weapons weren't making a dent.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-11-27 10:14am

NecronLord wrote:In BoBW it's quite clear that the enterprise would be destroyed if they rammed.

That was a Warp Ram.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-11-27 10:16am

As to the events of Nemesis. Well Starfleet was in the process of upgrading the Galaxy class starships. We know that the Sovereign itself got an upgrade so I see it highly likely that if the Enterprise-D remained in service that it would have recieved the War Galaxy upgrade. It might even have recieved the Venture upgrade. This would improve its combat capability but it wouldn't change the battle all that much. Certainly not for the better.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-11-27 11:19am

Alyeska wrote:
NecronLord wrote:In BoBW it's quite clear that the enterprise would be destroyed if they rammed.
That was a Warp Ram.

Yes, I know.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-11-27 12:00pm

Stofsk wrote: Tangent: why does ST say that if the battle is going badly, just ram the enemy and you're automatically guranteed to do more damage? Worf and Riker were about to do the same thing against the Borg (the former in FC, the latter in BOBW).

Well as to Worf i don't think he saw the ramming as being able to much damage. His ship was disabled and he couldn't do any damage any other way. He also wanted to garentee his place in Sto-Vo-Ko by going out in glorious battle.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-11-28 01:01am

Stofsk wrote:
NecronLord wrote:In BoBW it's quite clear that the enterprise would be destroyed if they rammed.
Yes, but the assumption was that the Borg cube would've been destroyed. My point was that the option of retreat, reassess, and return never occurred to them; and that ramming them would destroy the enemy, when their weapons weren't making a dent.

Well they were kind of out of time, after all the Cube had already decimated the Wolf 359 fleet and was knocking on Earth's door. They couldn't retreat and reassess because they would loose Earth. Ramming is always a last ditch desperate move and I have yet to see it used as anything else, except for by the Dominion.

As to the OP I think that the Ent-D would have probably done the seperation bit to and it could have gone a few different ways from there, but I would definitely see either section being destroyed ramming the Schimitar at full speed being piloted by Data and that would have been a better death for him as well.