DS9 Weapons Systems in "Way Of The Warrior"

[Lord Poe]

DS9 was never really considered tactically important till the Dominion showed up.

Good thing we're talking about exactly that then, and why DS9 was upgraded and was given the Defiant.

Also, how do you know it isn't the entire computer system....if could very well be.

Fine..a quote stating that would be nice. Something I've asked for since post #1.

What do we know of Cardassian design.....what do we know of Federation design....do they like to have everything connected together or is everything a seperate system.

Well, I thought the Trekkies would know. They've been claiming this as one of the reasons for WOTW's poor targeting from the beginning.

When DS9 became important it wasn't an option to shut down the system, especially considering the intelligence forces of the Dominion. Assuming the weapon system is its own system and not directly connected to the rest of the computer core, would it be wise to tear it out and setup a new system when a dominion fleet could be waiting for such an opportunity?

The fact remains that one of the excuses is Cardassian firing computers are firing Starfleet weapons. But how can this be....if Starfleet systems are incompatible with Cardassian systems? What a tangled web we weave...

[Lord Poe]

Ok, I just reviewed A "A Call to Arms". This is the final episode of season five and when the Dominion attacks.

<snip>

Very well. I accept this explanation. It fits with all the evidence.

[Lord Poe]

Ok I don't know WHAT all this stuff is about the Star Trek Magazine, but I don't see it OR the TM listed in any part of ST's Canon policy, so throw all that stuff out.

Chris, if you would have read the first post, you'd understand why those two sources were being used.

The computer Software and Hardware running the station is clearly Cardasian. This has been established through many different episodes.

Great. But you haven't provided a quote yet. You bring up one quote that has ALREADY been brought up...about the EMH system. Not the weapons system.

Including the one where the latient Cardasian computer program took over the station as part of a riot supression system

Season 1, BEFORE the Dominion was a threat. Red herring, Chris.

including the life support, self destruct and other major /minor systems,

Excuse me? The humans on DS9 seem to be living just fine on the station.

something that would not be possible if the station had major Starfleet computer replacements driving these systems.

What seasons are you referring to above? Pre or post Season 4? And don't forget, the excuse hovers around the FIRING systems being blamed for poor accuracy.

This episode is highly relevent because it shows that the major computer systems that control all the things on the station are in ops. Like how Kira was able to disable the Life Support system by blasting that console.

Are you referring to a season 1 episode again?

Or in Call To Arms how she fried all the systems in ops and disabled the entire station.

How does this prove Cardassian systems hampered the new Starfleet weapons installed in Season 3?

Then we have Empok Nor where they had to go to get major replacements for the Stations systems that were breaking down, showing again that its Cardasian technology that they could not replace or repair with Federation technology, even when it was breaking down and they had no choice!

Ok, then how did they fit STARFLEET weapons on DS9 in the first place then,?

Now note the two times we haveseen the 'guts' of the weapons systems technology, its been Cardasian. When O'Brien was installing it in WOTW, in opps where we know the control hardware would be.

Then you should have a WOTW quote that will clear up this entire mess, right?

And in Sacrifice of Angles when Rom was trying to disable it, again it was Cardasian technology, not a sign of any Starfleet systems.

Quote from that episode expressing this, please?

[Gandalf]

And in Sacrifice of Angles when Rom was trying to disable it, again it was Cardasian technology, not a sign of any Starfleet systems.

Quote from that episode expressing this, please?

The place Rom does it at looks like every other circuit hole in the wall on the station.

[Chris OFarrell]

Chris, if you would have read the first post, you'd understand why those two sources were being used.

Conceaded, but I'm making the point that *I* at least am not considering it relevent to the debate, regardless of what you and Alyeska may think about it. Though I'm not disinclined to accept secondery sources by any means, Paramount is and I go by what they go by.

Great. But you haven't provided a quote yet. You bring up one quote that has ALREADY been brought up...about the EMH system. Not the weapons system.

Yeah I was getting into this underneath.

Season 1, BEFORE the Dominion was a threat. Red herring, Chris.

Wayne, 'Civil Defense' was in season THREE after they had taken the Defiant out to find the Founders, when they knew the Dominion WAS a clear and present danger. But the point I am trying to make here is that the technology on the Station again was clearly Cardasian. No major Federation replacements of the computers or technology had taken place, the program was able to control the entire station. It wasn't a virus rewriting or infecting the computers, it was just a program controling the systems.

Excuse me? The humans on DS9 seem to be living just fine on the station.

Eh? Your point? Cardasians live in the safe enviroments as Humans. They like it a little warmer, but that was corrected in the first episode. I don't get what point your trying to make here.

What seasons are you referring to above? Pre or post Season 4? And don't forget, the excuse hovers around the FIRING systems being blamed for poor accuracy.

Pre and post. But the assertion your making is that the Federation would have upgraded the computers and technology driving the weapons array. All of this is highly relevent in that it shows that the Federation has never been able / willing to upgrade any of the critical systems on the Station, despite having time to do so.

Are you referring to a season 1 episode again?

I have not refered to a single season one episode. And I don't see why season 1 episodes are suddenly 'excluded'. If anything, season 1 would be the LOGICAL time to look as they rebuilded the station from the trash heep the Cardasians left behind. THAT would be the time to make wide scale replacements of technology from Cardasian to Federation.

How does this prove Cardassian systems hampered the new Starfleet weapons installed in Season 3?

Because it proves that the underlying technology was never converted. If anything, Life Support systems would be the logical place to look for a conversion given Starfleets obession with regulation parts and technology. The fact that even this most basic and critical system has not been retrofitted raises the question of why? The answer as Sisko comments in 'Dr Bashier I Presume' is that the computer systems are not easily compatiable with each other, even more basic things like an EMH, let alone a major system.

Ok, then how did they fit STARFLEET weapons on DS9 in the first place then,?

How in the hell should I know? How DO you fit Starfleet spec weapons onto a Cardasian designed Space Station? Who do I look like, the head of Starfleet enginearing? We know what we know, that it was done.

Then you should have a WOTW quote that will clear up this entire mess, right?

Did I say I have a quote? No. What I SAID was that we SAW O'Brien working on the weapons systems computers in ops and that teh technology was standard Cardasian technology. That we saw Rom in A Call To Arms working on the weapons systems underlying technology and that they were also Cardasian. We saw him in Sacrifice of Angles trying to disable them and again, it was Cardasian technology. Though that example isn't realy relevent as he was probably working on the power systems to disable the weapons rather then the weapons themselves.

Quote from that episode expressing this, please?

What I said (and you read of course was:)

"And in Sacrifice of Angles when Rom was trying to disable it, again it was Cardasian technology, not a sign of any Starfleet systems"

Why in the hell would I have a quote? Do you think they said:
"Gee! This is all Cardasian technology!"
"Your right! Not a sign of Starfleet tech anywhere!"
"Damn straight!"

Now if you want screenshots from all the above instances showing that the weapons computer technology we have seen is all Cardasian and not Federation in any way, sure I can provide those.

[Kamakazie Sith]

That he was. However, Sisko knew that in order to defeat the Dominion they would need the alpha quadrant fighting as one.

Uhm, why should the Federation consider the Klingons useful allies? These
are morons who decide government succession in knife fights and have
the Head Moron in charge go on personal missions...

As I said before the Federation would be unable to defeat the Dominion by itself. The Klingons were needed. Like Stravo said though Sisko should have been punished for breaking the alliance. The UFP didn't have to help the Klingons in their war against Cardassia but they damn sure didn't need to try and stop them.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Good thing we're talking about exactly that then, and why DS9 was upgraded and was given the Defiant.

Just so we're clear. DS9 was given the upgrades and Defiant because of the Dominion. Once the Dominion showed up DS9 became important.

Fine..a quote stating that would be nice. Something I've asked for since post #1.

The quote has been posted. Refer to the post made by Chris and Darkling.

Well, I thought the Trekkies would know. They've been claiming this as one of the reasons for WOTW's poor targeting from the beginning.

When Rom tried to disable the weapons system the technology was Cardassian. I believe that was Sacrifice of Angels

The fact remains that one of the excuses is Cardassian firing computers are firing Starfleet weapons. But how can this be....if Starfleet systems are incompatible with Cardassian systems? What a tangled web we weave...

An excellent point. However, given what we know so far. The quote by Sisko, and Rom working on Cardassian systems to disable the weapons seems to indicate that the system was Cardassian.