The Dominion war and Voyger

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They were Jemmies and the epsiode name was in season 2 and was called "Parturition".

As for them knowing about the Dominion, nope that's not possible. When Chakotay (or whatever the fuck his name is) found out about the Dominion War, he told Torres something along the lines of "Some new race from the Gamma Quadrent has allied with the Cardassians...". Doesn't sound like they knew them to me.

This is frustrating. Did you not read my post? Was what I said just beneath contempt, so irrational you don't even think it's worth answering--in your opinion, of course?

I ask because I already noted the "aliens from the Gamma Quadrant gave the Cardassians weapons" line. And I've twice said why Torres or Chakotay wouldn't know dick about the Dominion, too, yet you're quoting that pair to [try and] tell me I'm wrong.

I'll say it a third time: Chakotay and Torres were in the Maquis when the Odyssey was destroyed (read: when the Federation first realized that the Dominion posed a very real threat). Since you're not even sure of Chakotay's aka "Mr. Whatever The Fuck's" name, I take it you're relatively unfamiliar with VGR.

However did you remember the visuals and name of a specific VGR episode, I wonder? (As should be obvious, that's a joke. I realize you're just poking fun at Cacahaute.)

Judging by things you've said elsewhere in the forum you are, however, familiar with DS9. Consequently, you know that the Maquis is considered a terrorist organization by Starfleet Command.

Well, I rather doubt Starfleet would've widely publicized the exact circumstances under which they lost a flagship--certainly not to Maquis terrorists or those outside the Federation.

Therefore, before Chakotay's ship was sucked into the Delta Quadrant, the Dominion would've remained a vague rumor to the Maquis, a fuzzy potential problem at worst.

On the other hand, how could Voyager's Starfleet crew NOT know about the Dominion?

As previously noted, the events of "The Jem'Hadar" took place many months before VGR was lost. Don't you think the circumstances surrounding the loss of a flagship would be something of which the fleet's COs should be made aware?

I do.

Janeway would've been briefed on that kind of threat. Her first mission took her to the Bajor Sector, home to the wormhole and effectively next door to these powerful Jem'Hadar. There's every reason to appraise Janeway of the goings-on in that area of space, especially since VGR might've spent quite some time in the area after Chakotay's ship was apprehended.

One other thing:

You'll note that none of VGR's SF personnel ever verbalized their ignorance of the Dominion. Did Janeway say, "Jem'Ha-WHO?" No. Did Tuvok or Kim claim they'd never heard of the Dominion? No.

So far as we can confirm, only the doctor didn't know what the Dominion was, but why should he? He's a hologram, originally regarded as an automaton, a short-term measure. They never intended for him to become "alive"...filling his programming with lots of vague data on Jem'Hadar would serve NO purpose.

All that's really beside the point. You, Primus and R say we saw Jem'Hadar ships in "Parturition"?

Ok then: someone on VGR obviously knew about the Jem'Hadar or, if nothing else, the computer had some information about the Dominion.

Why? Simple...how else did Jem'Hadar ships find their way into Voyager's holodeck programs?!?!

"Shitty writing" is no kind of answer; the show could be something less than nothing, but I don't apply a certain method of analysis only when I like the subject matter. Like it or lump it, my approach remains the same.

As it stands I don't see anything even close to a contradiction.

I was under the impression vojager left before the dominion had been incountered

the doc is a seperate program running on the Voyager/Prometheus computer net. he has to look up date like other crewmembers UNLESS he specifically ads the data to his program. And his program was not designed for this....which is why the Voyager crew did not want him doing this in the early seasons