First Contact opening scene battle ship count?

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2003-10-18 08:00pm

Doesn't the Bozeman class also have some kind of giant phaser cannon on the back?

I seem to remeber that as a feature aswell.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-10-18 08:18pm

It's too bad they didn't have Voyager there. 39 ships? Forget it. Just throw Voyager up against it. The cube would have been wasted in no time.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-10-19 06:49am

Laird wrote:Doesn't the Bozeman class also have some kind of giant phaser cannon on the back?

I seem to remeber that as a feature aswell.

Acccording to the DITL they're oversized phasers. According to the ST:E they're sensor pods.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-21 08:43pm

closet sci-fi fan wrote:analysis of FC screencaps

I can see multiple mistakes and unknowns that were screwed up in this analysis. He labels Oberths as different ships and failed to identifity a Steamrunner.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-10-21 09:02pm

Superman wrote:It's too bad they didn't have Voyager there. 39 ships? Forget it. Just throw Voyager up against it. The cube would have been wasted in no time.

On the subject of which, actually, Voyager appeared against the Borg in the FC teaser trailer; the sequence was a modified one from 'Best of Both Worlds - part 2'

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2003-10-21 09:49pm

That page lacks the miranda that got toasted aswell.

edit: decided to add these screen shots.

http://members.shaw.ca/dmz/fc1.jpg
http://members.shaw.ca/dmz/fc2.jpg
http://members.shaw.ca/dmz/fc3.jpg
http://members.shaw.ca/dmz/fc4.jpg

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2003-10-21 11:04pm

Laird wrote:That page lacks the miranda that got toasted aswell.

edit: decided to add these screen shots.

http://members.shaw.ca/dmz/fc1.jpg
http://members.shaw.ca/dmz/fc2.jpg
http://members.shaw.ca/dmz/fc3.jpg
http://members.shaw.ca/dmz/fc4.jpg

What Miranda was destroyed? I didn't see any destroyed, but I did see a Borg shot that looked like it was targeting a Miranda that had just moved offscreen.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-10-22 02:41am

JME2 wrote:
Superman wrote:It's too bad they didn't have Voyager there. 39 ships? Forget it. Just throw Voyager up against it. The cube would have been wasted in no time.
On the subject of which, actually, Voyager appeared against the Borg in the FC teaser trailer; the sequence was a modified one from 'Best of Both Worlds - part 2'

Cool, where cold I see this?

TurboPhaser · Post by **TurboPhaser** » 2003-10-22 06:44am

Gandalf wrote:
JME2 wrote:
Superman wrote:It's too bad they didn't have Voyager there. 39 ships? Forget it. Just throw Voyager up against it. The cube would have been wasted in no time.
On the subject of which, actually, Voyager appeared against the Borg in the FC teaser trailer; the sequence was a modified one from 'Best of Both Worlds - part 2'
Cool, where cold I see this?

Right http://www.joblo.com/movietrailers2Sr.htm there.

Click on 'Teaser' trailers, Hi or Lo res. It takes a while to load, even on cable or DSL but it does load.

Its an interesting trailer, it not only includes the created footage of Voyager, it also contains an E-D flyby, a scene from 'The Emissary' DS9 and other bits and pieces thrown in to make it more exciting etc.

For the people who cant be bothered downloading that trailer ( I cant blame you) I provide a few images from said trailer:

Voyager firing phasers, the registry (74656) is not very visible on the saucer, but it is there.

Voyager's phasers make an explosion on the Cube.

I think the red thing in the background is some sort of nebula or something.

As far as I know, that footage was created specially for that trailer.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-22 07:07pm

There is plenty of previous Borg encounters shown in that trailer. We get a good look at the Doctor in the old TNG style uniform holding her phaser. We got a couple shots from Generations. We see battle footage from BOBW2. Plenty of footage from Emissary. There is even one shot from All Good Things (TNG series finale). And of course the largest chunk of work was transposing Voyager into the thing.

Makes me wonder if they were originaly planning on giving Voyager a bit part in the begining of the movie. Thats an awful lot of work for what amounts to absolutely nothing.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2003-10-27 11:47am

Alyeska wrote: Makes me wonder if they were originaly planning on giving Voyager a bit part in the begining of the movie. Thats an awful lot of work for what amounts to absolutely nothing.

Being the huge Borg fan I am, I can provide some help.

I have a high resolution vid of the First Contact Trailer.

The Registry number seen in the trailer on the saucer of whatever ship fighting the cube there is this "CC-74656". That's all that is shown that I can pinpoint.

Is that actually Voyager's Registry number?

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-10-27 02:34pm

Robert Walper wrote:The Registry number seen in the trailer on the saucer of whatever ship fighting the cube there is this "CC-74656". That's all that is shown that I can pinpoint.

Is that actually Voyager's Registry number?

Yep. Voyager is NCC-74656. Somewhat of a high number, given that Intrepid (name ship of class) was NCC-74500. Perhaps there were fighters produced in between the two that were given NCC registry numbers? The highest-numbered known Intrepid class (according to the LUG RPG) is USS Vor'kaan NCC-74712.

Bill Door · Post by **Bill Door** » 2003-10-27 04:26pm

It is possible that the higher regestry numbers is because of a basic counter intelegence trick. The regestry numbers may have the last 3 digits assigned at random to prevent prevent the numbers of ships from being known by the agent just looking at the regestry numbers of ships recently produced.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-27 05:19pm

Bill Door wrote:It is possible that the higher regestry numbers is because of a basic counter intelegence trick. The regestry numbers may have the last 3 digits assigned at random to prevent prevent the numbers of ships from being known by the agent just looking at the regestry numbers of ships recently produced.

I doubt it, from all indications they seem to be incremental for any warp-capable vessel.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-10-28 08:30pm

Or maybe they have a lottery to decide who gets a higher registry.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-28 08:42pm

JME2 wrote:Or maybe they have a lottery to decide who gets a higher registry.

That just seems silly. It's much simpler to assign numbers based on order of comissioning.