Comic X-men/matrix

LT.Hit-Man · Post by **LT.Hit-Man** » 2003-10-10 01:33am

Say the comic book X-man from just before prof-x did magneto get drop into the matrix would what would happen and how would live and who would die and why?

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-10-10 07:42am

Need more info. Do they know they are in the matrix? Do they realize it? If so, then their powers gets heightened. I mean, come on, Wolverine jumping 50+ feet in a leap? He would be damn near godlike. and cyclops dodging bullets? Hell, he nearly does that anyway (In the comic books). if they don't know they are in the matrix and they fight smiths They are fucked.
so .....do they know they are in the matrix? Do they have any guides? (Morpheus-like character??)

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-10-10 08:30am

Say the comic book X-man from just before prof-x did magneto get drop into the matrix would what would happen and how would live and who would die and why?

Would you pelase explain what the hell you meant in readable english?

Who's involved? What do you mean by "just before prof-x did Magneto"?

But as to the apparent question, most of the X-men make the Zionists look like children. They are massively experienced and extremely skilled in many, many things, and they regularly practice lethal combat simulations when they aren't taking on superpowered enemies.

Jean Grey could take all Agents out by herself.

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2003-10-10 01:38pm

Smiling Bandit wrote: Who's involved? What do you mean by "just before prof-x did Magneto"?

Xavier did Magneto? I must have missed that.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-10-10 03:42pm

Demiurge wrote:
Smiling Bandit wrote: Who's involved? What do you mean by "just before prof-x did Magneto"?
Xavier did Magneto? I must have missed that.

Are we talking when Prof X mind-wiped Mags on Avalon (giving birth to onslaught?)
Or wehn ultimate prof X mnd-fucked ultimate mags turning his own powers against him.

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2003-10-10 04:12pm

I thought we were talking about hot Patrick-on-Ian action.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-10-10 04:25pm

LT.Hit-Man wrote:Say the comic book X-man from just before prof-x did magneto get drop into the matrix would what would happen and how would live and who would die and why?

I take that "X-Man" Was supposed to be "X-men"? or are we talking about Nate Grey?

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2003-10-10 04:26pm

Demiurge wrote:I thought we were talking about hot Patrick-on-Ian action.

*puts Demiurge on the list*

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2003-10-10 04:30pm

Batman wrote: *puts Demiurge on the list*

The joke's on you. I'm already on the list! XA XA XA! The day is mine!

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2003-10-10 04:37pm

Demiurge wrote:
Batman wrote: *puts Demiurge on the list*
The joke's on you. I'm already on the list! XA XA XA! The day is mine!

Ah, but now you're on the list TWICE! Wich means that ...erm... uh...
*points to sky*
Look! A dead pigeon!
*drops smoke bomb and disappears into the shadows*

Memo to self:copy that bloody list to home PC, ASAP

LT.Hit-Man · Post by **LT.Hit-Man** » 2003-10-10 06:19pm

Chardok wrote:Need more info. Do they know they are in the matrix? Do they realize it? If so, then their powers gets heightened. I mean, come on, Wolverine jumping 50+ feet in a leap? He would be damn near godlike. and cyclops dodging bullets? Hell, he nearly does that anyway (In the comic books). if they don't know they are in the matrix and they fight smiths They are fucked.
so .....do they know they are in the matrix? Do they have any guides? (Morpheus-like character??)

No they don't know there in the matrix and there all alone and have no idea of WTF is going on.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-10-11 12:06am

If there powers carried over, the Matrix is royally fucked.

Consider what say.. Storm could do in the Matrix. Can agents take hurrican force winds throwing them around? Or massive electrocal bolts?

Cyclops
Cyclops eye-beam vs matrix martial arts. My votes on Cyclops. How fast does that beam travel, and how powerful is it? Probably faster then bullets, if not sound itself. (I don't think it travels as lightspeed, but I could be wrong)

Wolverine
Very little in the the matrix could hurt him. Guns and swords are useless because of his skeleton and regeneration abilities, you can't disarm him, and he's a fairly good fighter. Plus, punching someone with an adamantium skeleton is not a good idea.

Rogue
Rogue is stronger then an agent, can fly, can take huge beatings, and might be able to suck the power and knowledge out of anyone in the matrix. Imagine if she got her hands on Agent Smith or Morpheous?

That's just off the top of my head.

I hate to think what some of the other Marvel characters could do in the Matrix with there powers working.

However, the idea of Agent Smith fighting Multiple man is rather amusing...

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-10-13 07:52am

Cyclops eye-beam vs matrix martial arts. My votes on Cyclops. How fast does that beam travel, and how powerful is it? Probably faster then bullets, if not sound itself. (I don't think it travels as lightspeed, but I could be wrong)

Well, he can blow away inanimate objects (barring super-material construction) easily, but people are only bruised and singed. Comic book physics; People > Objects.

Jean Grey alone would easily take down all the Agents.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-10-13 08:13am

Demiurge wrote:
Smiling Bandit wrote: Who's involved? What do you mean by "just before prof-x did Magneto"?
Xavier did Magneto? I must have missed that.

Well, Sir Ian is gay...

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-10-13 08:14am

Smiling Bandit wrote:
Cyclops eye-beam vs matrix martial arts. My votes on Cyclops. How fast does that beam travel, and how powerful is it? Probably faster then bullets, if not sound itself. (I don't think it travels as lightspeed, but I could be wrong)
Well, he can blow away inanimate objects (barring super-material construction) easily, but people are only bruised and singed. Comic book physics; People > Objects.

Wrong. He damn near vaporized Mr Sinister, someone the rest of X-Men couldn't come close to handling.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-10-13 09:40am

Wrong. He damn near vaporized Mr Sinister, someone the rest of X-Men couldn't come close to handling.

Oh, on occaission he does that. But most comics have a huge range between high limit and low limit, and there is often no explanation or logic in why one is used instead of the other, even if superheroes have abilities they can vary in power.

Its the old Superman Syndrome: there's no logic in what he can do oen week and canot do the next. And most all comics have this the worst with magic. Usually, sorcerers and whatnot can always do a mystic bolt attack and a mystic defense, but beyond that their powers vary considerably from day to day.

Witness Ilyana Rasputin, who one week can affect the entire planet with a mighty reality-changing spell (and a little help) and the next can't do anything.

With Cyclops, most of the time he cannot do more than bruise people. To my memory, Sinister is about the only person he's ever blown away like that. And I don't think it actually killed Sinister, so it may have been a trick. I don't have every comic. Firing everything he had, he could only scrach some supervillains, even ones who have no exceptional toughness.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-10-13 09:45am

Smiling Bandit wrote:
Wrong. He damn near vaporized Mr Sinister, someone the rest of X-Men couldn't come close to handling.
Oh, on occaission he does that. But most comics have a huge range between high limit and low limit, and there is often no explanation or logic in why one is used instead of the other, even if superheroes have abilities they can vary in power.

You're absolutely correct, of course.

Its the old Superman Syndrome: there's no logic in what he can do oen week and canot do the next. And most all comics have this the worst with magic. Usually, sorcerers and whatnot can always do a mystic bolt attack and a mystic defense, but beyond that their powers vary considerably from day to day.

Interestingly enough, I've noticed the same thing in Star Wars. In the hopes of not going off topic (heh), I'll explain. Force users in Star Wars can destroy droids with impunity, but living beings seem more difficult to kill. They can Force Jump, but despite their ability to lift many times their own weight, they can't seem to be able to fly. Et cetera.

Witness Ilyana Rasputin, who one week can affect the entire planet with a mighty reality-changing spell (and a little help) and the next can't do anything.

With Cyclops, most of the time he cannot do more than bruise people. To my memory, Sinister is about the only person he's ever blown away like that. And I don't think it actually killed Sinister, so it may have been a trick. I don't have every comic. Firing everything he had, he could only scrach some supervillains, even ones who have no exceptional toughness.

Wasn't that the whole thing with Cyclops, though? That he, and no one else, possessed the power to wipe out Sinister, and that was why Sinister decided to move so soon against him? I mean sure, he wanted Scott's and Jean's child, but he could have gotten that by other means.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-10-13 10:02am

Actually Cyke has been able to do only the Skeleton Blow away attack on Sinister once(before they made him a bad T-1000 clone...and hell did away with the vulnerability).

For other such stuff...it's all continuity based, which is the Superman syndrome(and only Silver Age since most of these days heroes and villains have a consistent power ratio...Cyke doesn't topple planets and can usually kill a tree)

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-10-14 12:15am

Scary thought:

Apocolypse lose in the matrix....

Really Scary thought:
Marvel version of Godzilla lose in the matrix....

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-10-14 02:08am

Even when Smith took one in the head from Trinity in the first movie, he took a different body and was back in action a minute later. Ergo, you can't really kill him unless you do Neo's "jumping into him" trick, and even that didn't take him out permanently.

All Marvel characters are eventually overwhelmed. The strength of their powers only affects how many days of constant fighting it takes to wear them down.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-10-14 08:09am

Jean Grey and Professor X would both utterly annihilate the Agents easily. They can simply erase that data from a distance, or reprogram it to their whim.

And a lot of the X-Men would never be beaten by the Agents, so it doesn't matter. Wolverine they'd never kill, and good luck tryig to track down him. Quicksilver (who briefly lived at the X-Mension) could just run away faster than the Agents could blink, and is far faster than any of them. If Rogue touched one it could probably be killed, since it would lose all of its "special powers".

jinx · Post by **jinx** » 2003-10-14 02:19pm

Smiling Bandit wrote:Jean Grey and Professor X would both utterly annihilate the Agents easily. They can simply erase that data from a distance, or reprogram it to their whim.

And a lot of the X-Men would never be beaten by the Agents, so it doesn't matter. Wolverine they'd never kill, and good luck tryig to track down him. Quicksilver (who briefly lived at the X-Mension) could just run away faster than the Agents could blink, and is far faster than any of them. If Rogue touched one it could probably be killed, since it would lose all of its "special powers".

would rogue, Jean, & Prof. X's powers still work on the agents since they arn't actualy alive?
Also I predict that Nightcrawler free's a record number of minds before the agents get anywhere near him.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-10-14 09:26pm

Ah, but the X-men don't KNOW they're in the Matrix. They don't KNOW they're fighting computer programs. It's quite probable the agents could simply possess their bodies as they do those of other non-awakened drones. Certainly they won't be using any strategies that revolve around erasing data. And why would Rogue's absorption power work on an Agent? Heck, the Matrix could just turn their powers OFF.

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