Buffy Vs. Youkai

FAN: Discuss various fictional worlds that don't qualify for SF.

Moderator: Steve

Post Reply
Shinigami
Youngling
Posts: 67
Joined: 2002-10-29 01:06pm

Buffy Vs. Youkai

Post by Shinigami »

After seeing the Buffy Vs. Nomak thread which dragged on needlessly, I realized that Asian mythology is never taken into consideration in the Buffyverse. While I can't entirely speak for Angel, having seen every episode of Buffy thanks to FX i'm certain of this. So I'm wondering how she'd fare against a random Inu-yasha or any other demon from that region.
random kid in the next town- We're playing "Harry Potter"!
Cartman- Ha, FAGS!!!


You need to get your feet off your head, and your pants to your ears and go help someone who HAS NO FEET! Because if foot-less animals can not walk over here on their little non-footed areas and tell us how hungry they are. I don't think they can.- Brak's Dad
User avatar
Majin Gojira
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 6021
Joined: 2002-08-06 11:27pm
Location: Philadelphia

Re: Buffy Vs. Youkai

Post by Majin Gojira »

Shinigami wrote:After seeing the Buffy Vs. Nomak thread which dragged on needlessly, I realized that Asian mythology is never taken into consideration in the Buffyverse. While I can't entirely speak for Angel, having seen every episode of Buffy thanks to FX i'm certain of this.
Well, you should have before making that statement. In the Angel episode "Judgement" (2.1), he encounters a Prio-motu demon that has converted to Buddhism (!!). Conceptually, the Buffyverse is rather buddhist: Scroll down a little to find the pertinent information.
So I'm wondering how she'd fare against a random Inu-yasha or any other demon from that region.
Depends on the scenario, if it's just 'bump into on patrol, no prep time'. then in general she would lose. Like most anime creatures, those from Inuyasha are extrodinarily powerfull. It's been done BTW
ISARMA: Daikaiju Coordinator: Just Add Radiation
Justice League- Molly Hayes: Respect Hats or Freakin' Else!
Browncoat
Supernatural Taisen - "[This Story] is essentially "Wouldn't it be awesome if this happened?" Followed by explosions."

Reviewing movies is a lot like Paleontology: The Evidence is there...but no one seems to agree upon it.

"God! Are you so bored that you enjoy seeing us humans suffer?! Why can't you let this poor man live happily with his son! What kind of God are you, crushing us like ants?!" - Kyoami, Ran
Shinigami
Youngling
Posts: 67
Joined: 2002-10-29 01:06pm

Re: Buffy Vs. Youkai

Post by Shinigami »

Majin Gojira wrote:Well, you should have before making that statement. In the Angel episode "Judgement" (2.1), he encounters a Prio-motu demon that has converted to Buddhism (!!). Conceptually, the Buffyverse is rather buddhist: Scroll down a little to find the pertinent information.
Two things wrong with this. One: if I'm reading this correctly, then the demon that appeared on Angel is not Youkai. Converting to Buddhism doesn't suddenly make this demon's origins of Asian mythology. Two: Vampires being killed with Holy water and crucifixes does not equal Buddhism. You don't need me to tell you that, but this one just doesn't add up. Moving along....
Depends on the scenario, if it's just 'bump into on patrol, no prep time'. then in general she would lose. Like most anime creatures, those from Inuyasha are extraordinarily powerful. It's been done BTW
I think you missed what I was saying. Inu-yasha translates to dog demon. When I said a random Inu-yasha, I wasn't referring to the character or the show. I know that topic has been done, shit I'm the one that started that thread. That's not what's being discussed here. Use he show as a reference for forms of Youkai if necessary, but don't think that I'm talking about the lead character. I'm not.
random kid in the next town- We're playing "Harry Potter"!
Cartman- Ha, FAGS!!!


You need to get your feet off your head, and your pants to your ears and go help someone who HAS NO FEET! Because if foot-less animals can not walk over here on their little non-footed areas and tell us how hungry they are. I don't think they can.- Brak's Dad
User avatar
Majin Gojira
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 6021
Joined: 2002-08-06 11:27pm
Location: Philadelphia

Re: Buffy Vs. Youkai

Post by Majin Gojira »

Shinigami wrote: Two things wrong with this. One: if I'm reading this correctly, then the demon that appeared on Angel is not Youkai.
With few exceptions, Buffy monsters rarely draw from actual mythologies for names/species. Moloch is the only one that comes to mind.
Converting to Buddhism doesn't suddenly make this demon's origins of Asian mythology.
But it is an asian demon according to the shows mythology (technically mongolian IIRC).
Two: Vampires being killed with Holy water and crucifixes does not equal Buddhism. You don't need me to tell you that, but this one just doesn't add up. Moving along....
Nor does it make it catholic, smartass. (I bet you didn't even LOOK at the link)
atpobtvs.com wrote: "Crosses and holy water work against vampires; doesn't that imply the truth of Catholicism?" Well, let's try this on for size: What if vampires are allergic, in effect, to the shape of a cross? That's why the faith of the bearer (Willow comes to mind) doesn't change its effectiveness. Similarly, either by accident or intention, Catholic priests discovered a spell that makes water poisonous to vampires, and incorporated the ritual into their practices. So a lot of Christian and/or Catholic practices and symbols originated as anti-vampire techniques, and have been kept alive through tradition. (And I know that Spike seems to accept that the Crucifixion was an actual historical event, but that doesn't say anything pro or con the Resurrection) (Mr. EverDawn, Dec 14 18:03 1998).

I'd say that the cross focuses some sort of energy in a way that is harmful to vampires and causes them pain -- and since it seems to work for anybody and on any demon -- whether in a christian or jewish body -- I'd say it has to do with the cross itself, rather than the person brandishing the cross or the vampire (Dianne, Dec 14 19:30 1998).

I'm betting it's something more along the lines of "Somewhere back in the past, some form of Big Anti-Vampire Juju was binded to the image of the crucifix by some Christian Magus/Cleric/Monk/High Priest", instead of "Divine Power" (Some Psycho Named Sam, Feb 22 19:24 2000).
We don't have any evidence for the forces of Good being the christian god outside of Crosses and Holy Water, and those are suspect. We have as much evidence for that as we do the theories presented above, a lot of people simply jump to that conclusion because it's a common thought.
I think you missed what I was saying. Inu-yasha translates to dog demon. When I said a random Inu-yasha, I wasn't referring to the character or the show. I know that topic has been done, shit I'm the one that started that thread. That's not what's being discussed here. Use he show as a reference for forms of Youkai if necessary, but don't think that I'm talking about the lead character. I'm not.
Well then, are we dealing with a mythological dog-demon, we'll have to define it's powers. It truely depends on the Youkai in question wether or not Buffy loses. It also depends on the scenario. Buffy and Scoobies + preptime are nearly as deadly as Batman with Preptime (though it takes the scoobies longer to be his equal). You need to define the scenario better.
ISARMA: Daikaiju Coordinator: Just Add Radiation
Justice League- Molly Hayes: Respect Hats or Freakin' Else!
Browncoat
Supernatural Taisen - "[This Story] is essentially "Wouldn't it be awesome if this happened?" Followed by explosions."

Reviewing movies is a lot like Paleontology: The Evidence is there...but no one seems to agree upon it.

"God! Are you so bored that you enjoy seeing us humans suffer?! Why can't you let this poor man live happily with his son! What kind of God are you, crushing us like ants?!" - Kyoami, Ran
User avatar
Rye
To Mega Therion
Posts: 12493
Joined: 2003-03-08 07:48am
Location: Uighur, please!

Re: Buffy Vs. Youkai

Post by Rye »

Majin Gojira wrote: With few exceptions, Buffy monsters rarely draw from actual mythologies for names/species. Moloch is the only one that comes to mind.
Buffy fought a canaanite sun god?! When was this?
EBC|Fucking Metal|Artist|Androgynous Sexfiend|Gozer Kvltist|
Listen to my music! http://www.soundclick.com/nihilanth
"America is, now, the most powerful and economically prosperous nation in the country." - Master of Ossus
Darth_Shinji
BANNED
Posts: 1423
Joined: 2002-07-04 04:25pm

Post by Darth_Shinji »

I think he means any anime/asian demon type. Youkai, Youma, Bakkemona(I know thats not spelled right), ect. Whatever you want to call them.

Well, on the subject at hand I have to say Buffy is too earthbound to handle alot of these monsters. While she might actaully be stronger and faster in running speed, most demon hunters have reflexes on par with spiderman and energy attacks. You need to be able to jump 20ft in the air and dodge attacks from ever angle, usaully carrying sombody or in your bath robe to be in this league. :D And thats low-level creatures. Higher level creatures are just going to laught at her and her magical weapon of the day. God help her if a "Big Bad" like Kato or Narato showed up. :shock:
Village Idiot: "Or why one person opinion's of another person doesn't mean squat in the large scheme of things"

"You laugh because I'm different, I laugh because your all the same."

"A Eater of the Sacred Cow"

"Mother Fucking Team Wrecker"
User avatar
Typhonis 1
Rabid Monkey Scientist
Posts: 5791
Joined: 2002-07-06 12:07am
Location: deep within a secret cloning lab hidden in the brotherhood of the monkey thread

Post by Typhonis 1 »

oooo this also means Buffy could face a "tentacle-Demon" :twisted:
Brotherhood of the Bear Monkey Clonemaster , Anti Care Bears League,
Bureaucrat and BOFH of the HAB,
Skunk Works director of the Mecha Maniacs,
Black Mage,

I AM BACK! let the SCIENCE commence!
User avatar
Gil Hamilton
Tipsy Space Birdie
Posts: 12962
Joined: 2002-07-04 05:47pm
Contact:

Post by Gil Hamilton »

Hee hee... Raiden comes to visit Sunnydale.

Xander: "Gee Buffy, it sure got stormy all of a sudd... AHHHHHH! *sizzle noise*"
"Show me an angel and I will paint you one." - Gustav Courbet

"Quetzalcoatl, plumed serpent of the Aztecs... you are a pussy." - Stephen Colbert

"Really, I'm jealous of how much smarter than me he is. I'm not an expert on anything and he's an expert on things he knows nothing about." - Me, concerning a bullshitter
User avatar
Majin Gojira
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 6021
Joined: 2002-08-06 11:27pm
Location: Philadelphia

Re: Buffy Vs. Youkai

Post by Majin Gojira »

Rye wrote:
Majin Gojira wrote: With few exceptions, Buffy monsters rarely draw from actual mythologies for names/species. Moloch is the only one that comes to mind.
Buffy fought a canaanite sun god?! When was this?
It wasn't the Cananite sun god. It was just a demon with the same name. The only similairity between them is that they both demanded obedience and sacrifices from their followers. The Episode in question is "I Robot, You Jane", Season 1
ISARMA: Daikaiju Coordinator: Just Add Radiation
Justice League- Molly Hayes: Respect Hats or Freakin' Else!
Browncoat
Supernatural Taisen - "[This Story] is essentially "Wouldn't it be awesome if this happened?" Followed by explosions."

Reviewing movies is a lot like Paleontology: The Evidence is there...but no one seems to agree upon it.

"God! Are you so bored that you enjoy seeing us humans suffer?! Why can't you let this poor man live happily with his son! What kind of God are you, crushing us like ants?!" - Kyoami, Ran
Darth_Shinji
BANNED
Posts: 1423
Joined: 2002-07-04 04:25pm

Post by Darth_Shinji »

Actaully thinking about it her and the scoobies might do good. With willows magical surport they might be able to handle better badguys then I've intailly given them credit for. They might be able to handle minor stuff from Curse of the undead Youma, Devil Hunter Yohko, and Yoshio and Tora. But she better never leave Willow and the rest of the gang at home. And I still would bet against her if she fought some of the more powerful monsters from all of those series.
Village Idiot: "Or why one person opinion's of another person doesn't mean squat in the large scheme of things"

"You laugh because I'm different, I laugh because your all the same."

"A Eater of the Sacred Cow"

"Mother Fucking Team Wrecker"
Post Reply