Heralds of Galactus vs JLA

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-10-08 10:40pm

ok so some of the Heralds of Galactus vs the JLA

HOG-
Silver Surfer
Nova
Terrax
Firelord
morg

against

as usual JLA
batman
superman
wonderwoman
martian manhunter
Green lantern
aqua man
Plastic man
Flash

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-10-09 09:17am

Well, theoretically, Silver Surfer could vape them all. In practice, the Heralds have no coherent powers. They seem to change from week to week. So the question becomes: what do you accept they can do?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-10-09 09:51am

And theorectically GL could vape the universe by merging Entropy with the current timeline

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All in all it depends on what era plus, whether wants to have resctrictions on outside aid(Given that Supes, GL, Flash, WW, Manhunter and Bats have access to tech and weaponry that goes easily to Galactus level.....just in case) and most of all where the battle is placed. If Space...the Heralds have a much more decided advantage...if on a planet...they lose a lot because simply put they have more powers arrayed against them.

The problem is the power scale for the Herald goes immensely downward plunge from Surfer/Morg to the next most powerful of Nova. Though it's debatable whether Surfer could withstand a DET from Lantern given he is able to destroy planets and Supes, WW, and Manhunter are able to literally move planets together(normally...this is not Sun Superman). Seriously as Marvel goes, they given Surfer near planetary destruction abilites with a blast...but this apprently expends everything...with GL it was shown not to cripple him(and for reference of it...he did easily the equivlent in DC 1,000,000 #4...is reputed to ignite a star and to crush a small solar mass)

So in the end space, iffy because they have to worry about less...but essentially Surfer and Lantern cancel each other out. Leaving basically Supes, WW, Manhunter vs Morg and gang. Heralds probably take space because it becomes a battle of dimishing strength They can focus upon GL. Still they have shown vulnerability to telepathy which even then can prove their downfall. Ground pounding the JLA takes it because they are able to destroy the weaker one much faster and array a much larger force against Surfer and Morg much quicker.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-10-09 10:18am

Ghost Rider wrote:Supes, WW, and Manhunter are able to literally move planets together(normally...this is not Sun Superman).

LOL they can move planets together? In JLA Haven Arrival superman and wonderwomen could barely stop a giant ship from sliding into the ocean. Is there like multiple JLA dimensions going on and all of them have completely different power levels. Because that is a huge drop in power level if they can go from moving planets together to barely being able to move large ships

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-10-09 10:21am

thecreech wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Supes, WW, and Manhunter are able to literally move planets together(normally...this is not Sun Superman).
LOL they can move planets together? In JLA Haven Arrival superman and wonderwomen could barely stop a giant ship from sliding into the ocean. Is there like multiple JLA dimensions going on and all of them have completely different power levels. Because that is a huge drop in power level if they can go from moving planets together to barely being able to move large ships

Their high and low ends have much to be desired...on both sides.

Surfer at high end is able to destroy a planet via a chain reaction event...at low end unable to barely topple a building.

Superman at high end is able to push moons...low end it's a stretch for him to keep the space shuttle aloft.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-10-09 11:02am

Ghost Rider wrote:
Their high and low ends have much to be desired...on both sides.

Surfer at high end is able to destroy a planet via a chain reaction event...at low end unable to barely topple a building.

Superman at high end is able to push moons...low end it's a stretch for him to keep the space shuttle aloft.

I know GR. What i should of asked though is when they move planets together did they have a special device or was something else helping them (ie sun superman which you have already discounted). Just curious. I just can't believe how bad characters are being represented (Both marvel and DC). Superman should of been able to lift the ship itself. Damn i need to get into the comic buisness.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-10-09 12:04pm

thecreech wrote:
I know GR. What i should of asked though is when they move planets together did they have a special device or was something else helping them (ie sun superman which you have already discounted). Just curious. I just can't believe how bad characters are being represented (Both marvel and DC). Superman should of been able to lift the ship itself. Damn i need to get into the comic buisness.

WW's Lasso...which is unbreakable...barring magical means.

Believe me high and lows of heroes are funny(given Byrne set Supes at minimal 80 MT endurance....who knows what Loeb's is)

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-10-09 12:14pm

Plastic Man is teh phun.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2003-10-09 06:42pm

thecreech wrote: I know GR. What i should of asked though is when they move planets together did they have a special device or was something else helping them (ie sun superman which you have already discounted). Just curious. I just can't believe how bad characters are being represented (Both marvel and DC). Superman should of been able to lift the ship itself. Damn i need to get into the comic buisness.

It was at the end of the recent Obsidian Age story; all the strong folks were out in space pulling the Earth with WW's lasso, and Flash was hanging out at the North Pole keeping the place from shaking apart.

...But given the extream disparity between both teams high and low showings it would really be up to whoever's writing the encounter. "Silver Surfer gets taken out by a flower pot, and Firelord is punked by a passing Spiderman"

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-10-09 10:25pm

I think the Heralds take JLA provided Terrax and Morg cooperate with the Heralds. Terrax and Morg seem likely to go off on their own.