Ensign Kim.

[neoolong]

I'm a first generation, or second generation, it depends on how you calculate it, and I and my friends don't adopt specifically Asian traits into our character. It's not something that really matters anymore. It's not like segregation, self-imposed or not, for our generation really happens anymore. Well, except in some cases in Chinatown.

My experience is most people in Chinatowns are hard core immigrant who will never assimilate much. That is today's residents of Chinatown. My friends parents came here in the 60's and 70's some ended up in Chinatowns simply because of social conditions at the times. But all ended up in the burbs pretty quickly.

There are the old, that came during the 60's and 70's and there are the new immigrants. Since there isn't really anything to force them to assimilate, they probably won't. Many most likely will never leave Chinatown.

However, there are some immigrants that come over and live there and move out like you said. Many when they have kids and want them to have more of a life than just Chinatown.

Your experiences are probably a little different than that of my friends. Heck even birth order makes a difference. Almost every first born I know still speaks a decent amount of Cantonese. But the youngest kids are the weakest.

It might have to do with where their parents are from. I speak Mandarin myself.

And birth order does make a difference. Especially given the transition that the parents make to assimilate into America.

I'm also the youngest but I still can understand quite a bit. I am also taking a language class.

I would be interested to see how strong local identities are in Star Trek. Are the States still existing as some sort of political entity. Even if it is a local government of the Federation? Race might be so unimportant in places like the North American continent that it is of little importance by then.

Don't know about that. On Mike's racism in ST vs. SW page, it seems that the way different people act is usually written off to the whole species.

That might just be for aliens though. Maybe things just become so homogenized that species is the level where things are different culturally. Or it's just lazy writing.

[Darth Servo]

It would have been more interesting if he'd asked them to make him do the opposite of Asian stereotypes. For example, making him a bit clueless with computers but very good with mechanical things, or making him a bit of a lothario with a weak work ethic. Perhaps make him brash and arrogant rather than quiet and self-effacing. Or better yet, make a recurring theme of disciplinary problems revolving around his personal history of sexually harassing female crewmembers.

But do we really want another Barclay? I mean Voy was bad enough as it was.

[Crown]

Maybe the writers tiptoed around his character because they weren't sure how to write an Asian guy who doesn't know kung-fu. Voyager is run by a very standard Hollywood PC crowd, after all. So he got killed or mangled regularly, and was always there in major events, but never really had much personality about him.

Also, when the series first started being written, Wang went to the writers and said he didn't want to be written as an overly Asian character.

Well, there it is then. Once their standard M.O. of "foreign culture" stereotyping was taken away from them, they didn't know what to do so they just wrote him as a completely flat character.

It would have been more interesting if he'd asked them to make him do the opposite of Asian stereotypes. For example, making him a bit clueless with computers but very good with mechanical things, or making him a bit of a lothario with a weak work ethic. Perhaps make him brash and arrogant rather than quiet and self-effacing. Or better yet, make a recurring theme of disciplinary problems revolving around his personal history of sexually harassing female crewmembers.

Congradulations Mike, you described First Lt. Paul Wang, of the 58th Squadron of the United States Marine Corps Linky ...

Tell me you have seen S:AAB?

Of course the reason why he wasn't written as an 'Asian' character was because the co-creator/co-executive/co-writer/co-director was James Wong, and he pretty much said how he wanted to write the charachter Paul, as you did about what the writting staff of Voyager had difficulties with Ensign Kim.

[Darth Wong]

It would have been more interesting if he'd asked them to make him do the opposite of Asian stereotypes. For example, making him a bit clueless with computers but very good with mechanical things, or making him a bit of a lothario with a weak work ethic. Perhaps make him brash and arrogant rather than quiet and self-effacing. Or better yet, make a recurring theme of disciplinary problems revolving around his personal history of sexually harassing female crewmembers.

But do we really want another Barclay? I mean Voy was bad enough as it was.

You think that description matches Barclay? I just described Bill Clinton, not Barclay.

[Keevan_Colton]

It would have been more interesting if he'd asked them to make him do the opposite of Asian stereotypes. For example, making him a bit clueless with computers but very good with mechanical things, or making him a bit of a lothario with a weak work ethic. Perhaps make him brash and arrogant rather than quiet and self-effacing. Or better yet, make a recurring theme of disciplinary problems revolving around his personal history of sexually harassing female crewmembers.

But do we really want another Barclay? I mean Voy was bad enough as it was.

You think that description matches Barclay? I just described Bill Clinton, not Barclay.

Yeah, we happened to slip a William J. Clintion into a collaberative script exercise today in my screenwriting class....I dont think arrogant could be applied to barclay except for his fifteen minutes of fame subbing for the ships computer.

As for Kim v. Tom...Tom had a history as a starfleet officer, and while I think Lt. Commander was pushing it past his previous rank, he was starting out higher.

[Sarevok]

As for Kim v. Tom...Tom had a history as a starfleet officer, and while I think Lt. Commander was pushing it past his previous rank, he was starting out higher.

Given the oppurtunity would Harry Kim have joined the Maquis ?

[Embracer Of Darkness]

As for Kim v. Tom...Tom had a history as a starfleet officer, and while I think Lt. Commander was pushing it past his previous rank, he was starting out higher.

Given the oppurtunity would Harry Kim have joined the Maquis ?

I don't think he would've. He's simply too much of a goodie two-shoes and would do whatever Starfleet told him to.

[Sarevok]

I don't think he would've. He's simply too much of a goodie two-shoes and would do whatever Starfleet told him to.

I also think so. He tries to be the Starfleet good boy who never questions orders.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

I don't think he would've. He's simply too much of a goodie two-shoes and would do whatever Starfleet told him to.

I also think so. He tries to be the Starfleet good boy who never questions orders.

He's like the brown-noser back in school, you all knew someone like that. They'd have their reports in the same day, year assignments done the same week, and the rest of the school wanted to strip him naked and push him into the girl's changing room.

I also think Harry Kim was secretly sexing Janeway.