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I disagree. Remember in TNG "Q Who" the E-D was able to blast huge holes in a cube before they adapted. Once the borg adapted then the shields seemed to be effective.evilcat4000 wrote: Regarding Voyger surviving a hit from the Species 8472 biopulse beam that would be one of the worst plot devices in Star Trek history.
They apparently have two levels of shielding: particle and ray-shielding. Energy beams seem to hit a hull-hugger, while physical objects hit a shield which projects away from the hull (we saw a shuttle breach this 2nd shield by powering down and slowly coasting through it in BOBW). In that respect, they sound a bit like SW ships, with their separate particle/ray shield systems (although not as powerful, of course).evilcat4000 wrote:Borg shielding may indeed be hull conforming, that would explain their incredible strength.Ahh, that's right, I stand corrected. I forgot about dialogue and was just thinking about visuals. It is wierd that there isn't a shield flare effect for the Borg, but that's just more ST weirdness I guess. Aren't they missing something though? Was it deflectors they don't use? Wasn't there some reason that 8472 was bashing cubes left and right and Voyager was able to survive, or was that just another plot device?
Why not? Human bodies weren't blown apart by the same AT-AT weapons that blew apart mile-long generating stations in TESB, and a Rebel cruiser withstood a fraction of a second from the DS2 superlaser. Energy weapons don't have to fire on full power all the time.Regarding Voyger surviving a hit from the Species 8472 biopulse beam that would be one of the worst plot devices in Star Trek history.
My only possible explanation would be that the Bioship was heavily damaged from it's battle with the Borg Cubes. It's weapons were probobly rendered nearly ineffective. So Voyger got hit by only a tiny fraction of the Bioships potential firepower.
Or it could simply be that the bioships which attacked the planet were special ones that had been charging up their weapons for the last six months. It's ridiculous to assume that a regular bioship blast has as much potency as the planet-killer blasts, which were enough to cause a massive planetary ejecta plume (and start some weird chain reaction that made the planet blow up half a minute later), for the simple reason that Borg cubes were fragmented but not vapourized upon impact from these beams (note that Borg cubes can be vapourized upon brief contact with solar photosphere gas). Do the math; they should have been turned into plasma if the S-8472 wankers were even within a few orders of magnitude.This theory has some supporting evidence. For instance the Bioship was found damaged and stuck in the hull of a Borg Cube. It was making no effort to free itself and destroy the Cube. That would indicate that it's weapons may indeed have been crippled.
Also even after it detected Voyger approaching it and even trying to get a tractor beam on it, it did not respond. This confirms that the Bioship was realy so badly damaged that it did not expect to have enough firepower to destroy even the primitive Voyger. So when it finaly opened fired it's weapons were very weak compared to normal.
I agree. My idea is that the Planetkillers were some very rare and powerful type of warships.Or it could simply be that the bioships which attacked the planet were special ones that had been charging up their weapons for the last six months. It's ridiculous to assume that a regular bioship blast has as much potency as the planet-killer blasts, which were enough to cause a massive planetary ejecta plume (and start some weird chain reaction that made the planet blow up half a minute later), for the simple reason that Borg cubes were fragmented but not vapourized upon impact from these beams (note that Borg cubes can be vapourized upon brief contact with solar photosphere gas). Do the math; they should have been turned into plasma if the S-8472 wankers were even within a few orders of magnitude.
So if the Borg particle shields are away from the hull would that make ramming attacks somewhat less effective against a Cube ?They apparently have two levels of shielding: particle and ray-shielding. Energy beams seem to hit a hull-hugger, while physical objects hit a shield which projects away from the hull (we saw a shuttle breach this 2nd shield by powering down and slowly coasting through it in BOBW). In that respect, they sound a bit like SW ships, with their separate particle/ray shield systems (although not as powerful, of course).
I wonder why did not the DS fire at the Home One. That would have killed Admiral Ackbar and deprived the Rebel fleet of leadership during the battle.Why not? Human bodies weren't blown apart by the same AT-AT weapons that blew apart mile-long generating stations in TESB, and a Rebel cruiser withstood a fraction of a second from the DS2 superlaser. Energy weapons don't have to fire on full power all the time.
Slightly OT:Master of Ossus wrote:To be fair, the torpedo in question was defective, but you're right in that it should have been much more difficult to disarm (that, and I hate the whole "cut the blue wire, cut the red wire" thing. Would it kill some of these evil TV villains to use the same color wire in their bombs? Then no one would be able to tell each other which one to cut, and they would likely die because of their indecisiveness).