Enterprise 301 "The Xindi" *Spoilers*

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-09-11 10:48pm

One phaser shot to a console completely disabled Life Support in DS9 "Civil Defense". I daresay collateral damage may very well be a concern.

CorSec · Post by **CorSec** » 2003-09-11 11:09pm

justifier wrote:Too bad that Xindi prisoner guy died though, it would have made a nice mini-arc for him to be onboard for a few episodes until ENT dropped him off somewhere

C'mon, now. Surely it's obvious by now! Such a plot device would play out like this:

Cap'n Archer wrote:Captain's log, star date 1234.5. We dropped the Xindi slave on a planet that someone the audience will never see told us about. But before we did, he told us X, Y and Z. We don't really trust him, but we don't have any other leads.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-09-12 11:41am

Uraniun235 wrote:One phaser shot to a console completely disabled Life Support in DS9 "Civil Defense". I daresay collateral damage may very well be a concern.

I knew it. Somebody shot the "Console Oeber Alles" console!

justifier · Post by **justifier** » 2003-09-12 06:40pm

CorSec wrote:
justifier wrote:Too bad that Xindi prisoner guy died though, it would have made a nice mini-arc for him to be onboard for a few episodes until ENT dropped him off somewhere
C'mon, now. Surely it's obvious by now! Such a plot device would play out like this:

Cap'n Archer wrote:Captain's log, star date 1234.5. We dropped the Xindi slave on a planet that someone the audience will never see told us about. But before we did, he told us X, Y and Z. We don't really trust him, but we don't have any other leads.

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of Tucker being pissed at the guy the whole trip and having him die at the hands of some aliens of the week or Xindi to help Enterprise

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-09-12 10:49pm

Pretty good episode. Plus, we can see Archer is actually growing a spine. See the previews for the next episode? Archer traps some guy who knows something about the Xindi in an airlock and begins to suck the air out!

And the bug Xindi looked really cool.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-12 10:50pm

Ok, lets get to the important part: Anyone got screencaps of topless T'Pol?

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2003-09-13 12:44am

Ender wrote:Ok, lets get to the important part: Anyone got screencaps of topless T'Pol?

Yeah.

Does it violate any rules if I post the links here? She's covering her boobies, but her top is off:

http://members.lycos.nl/harrysdump/trek ... _pr0n2.jpg

And:

http://members.lycos.nl/harrysdump/trek ... _pr0n1.jpg

The second picture is pretty funny. Tucker's hands seem to be up as if to say, "What the fuck, girl?"

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-13 08:46am

I was joking, but hey, thanks!

Ronaldo · Post by **Ronaldo** » 2003-09-13 03:55pm

Enigma wrote:Ent ripping off AOTC? Come on! Lucas wasn't the only one to have a council of various races discussing something evil (i.e. U.N. ). It wasn't a blatant ripoff like the Breen and the whole DS9-Dominion War. Next it'll be mentioned that Ent ripped off Star Wars because the show has starships that fly in outer space.

Well, the similarities between the Separatists' conference in AOTC and the Xindi were striking. In fact, they were very obvious. The Seperatists were a group of very different looking alien beings. They were also planning on building a secret planet-killing weapon. The Xindi were doing the same thing. The AOTC Separatist conference and the Xindi conference had a similar feeling and atmosphere.

The episode had a very strong Star Wars feeling to it. It had more of a "used" universe look and feel to it. I actually enjoyed this episode more than other Enterprise episodes because of that. The slight plagiarism of the Xindi conference/super planet-killing weapon is forgivable in my opinion, as long as B&B can do a good job with the show.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-13 05:07pm

Can someone elaborate on the planet killing weapon? I'm in the process of getting the ep now, but with dial up this should be a while

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-09-13 05:17pm

Ender wrote:Can someone elaborate on the planet killing weapon? I'm in the process of getting the ep now, but with dial up this should be a while

You don't really learn much about it in this ep.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-09-13 06:11pm

Ender wrote:Can someone elaborate on the planet killing weapon? I'm in the process of getting the ep now, but with dial up this should be a while

The Xindi homeworld was destroyed some 120 years ago, it is not said how or why. That is about all we know of that incident. I wouldn't even say for certain that any planet busting weapon exists, though I do suspect that that is what B&B are planning on.

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2003-09-13 06:28pm

Sir Sirius wrote:
Ender wrote:Can someone elaborate on the planet killing weapon? I'm in the process of getting the ep now, but with dial up this should be a while
The Xindi homeworld was destroyed some 120 years ago, it is not said how or why. That is about all we know of that incident. I wouldn't even say for certain that any planet busting weapon exists, though I do suspect that that is what B&B are planning on.

Yeah. I think there will be a planet-smasher...as much "homage" as has been paid to "AOTC" already, I'd be surprised if they *didn't* trot out a Death Star rip-off. It almost has to be a weapon built in the far future, though. I think the Xindi are just pawns in some bigger game.

The only other thing to add is that the planetary debris field was 80 million km wide.

Btw, no thanks necessary Daniel

Joking or not, nice boobs never hurt my feelings

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-09-13 09:05pm

seanrobertson wrote:Yeah. I think there will be a planet-smasher...as much "homage" as has been paid to "AOTC" already, I'd be surprised if they *didn't* trot out a Death Star rip-off. It almost has to be a weapon built in the far future, though. I think the Xindi are just pawns in some bigger game.

TOS Doomsday Machine? It would be nice... but we all know they won't give that kind of nod to us old-time fans.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-13 09:47pm

seanrobertson wrote:
Sir Sirius wrote:
Ender wrote:Can someone elaborate on the planet killing weapon? I'm in the process of getting the ep now, but with dial up this should be a while
The Xindi homeworld was destroyed some 120 years ago, it is not said how or why. That is about all we know of that incident. I wouldn't even say for certain that any planet busting weapon exists, though I do suspect that that is what B&B are planning on.
Yeah. I think there will be a planet-smasher...as much "homage" as has been paid to "AOTC" already, I'd be surprised if they *didn't* trot out a Death Star rip-off. It almost has to be a weapon built in the far future, though. I think the Xindi are just pawns in some bigger game.

The only other thing to add is that the planetary debris field was 80 million km wide.

Btw, no thanks necessary Daniel Joking or not, nice boobs never hurt my feelings

Jesus. I remember something Chuck wrote as a joke one time, where B&B and the writers were thinking up the plot of the next ST movie, and Braga plan was to directly rip off Star wars... life imitates art.

I want to make a point right now, so I can be the first to refute any claims if this weapon does blast planets:

Insectoid Xindi. The size of insects on earth is inherently limited by the gravity of the planet. Their exoskeleton couldn't hold up. Basically any planet over the size of the moon would produce too much gravity for a bug to get bigger than they are now. So unless the Xindi homeworld is smaller than the moon, they would be unable to exist. Therefore the Xindi planet must be smaller then a class M.

And returning the favor:

http://www.angelfire.com/trek/trexx/s3e01/TBoobie.htm

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-13 10:30pm

http://www.trektoday.com/news/080803_01.shtml

This says that the homeworld was deserted not destroyed...

It also mentions a giant space going sphere connected to the Xindi... What's it going to be named, the Doom Sun?

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-09-13 11:30pm

Ender wrote:http://www.trektoday.com/news/080803_01.shtml

This says that the homeworld was deserted not destroyed...

It also mentions a giant space going sphere connected to the Xindi... What's it going to be named, the Doom Sun?

What if the Vulcans come up with the name later? "Enterprise's encounter with the Mortality Luminary was most unfortunate, the stupid bastards." (In keeping with Enterprise's patented new Romuvulcans.)

Burak Gazan · Post by **Burak Gazan** » 2003-09-14 02:02am

The date on that article is August 8, so its a little dated. Plus, the planet (still open question if that really was the Xindi homeworld) was indeed shattered, a debris field "80 million km yadda yadda yadda"

Was shaking my head, almost expected the Enterprise to drop out of warp and be pummeled by asteroidal debris....

gee, wonder who did that eh?
Good with the bad I guess, see how it spins out.

If the planet was destroyed 120 years ago, isnt that roughly the timeframe of the "events" in First Contact? Hmm..
Damn, I hate this time travel BS -- and B+B have forced the ENTIRE series to be polluted with it now..... sigh

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-09-14 01:58pm

Well, I'd say the Xindi were more like the League of Non-aligned World in B5. They had a Drazi and everything.

Alan Bolte · Post by **Alan Bolte** » 2003-09-14 06:09pm

Ender wrote:Insectoid Xindi. The size of insects on earth is inherently limited by the gravity of the planet. Their exoskeleton couldn't hold up. Basically any planet over the size of the moon would produce too much gravity for a bug to get bigger than they are now. So unless the Xindi homeworld is smaller than the moon, they would be unable to exist. Therefore the Xindi planet must be smaller then a class M.

Dude, just 'cause it looks like a bug doesn't make it a bug. There's no reason any of those aliens should even be in the same kingdom as anything on Earth. For all we know they could be made of something tougher, or have an endoskeleton.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-14 07:05pm

Alan Bolte wrote:
Ender wrote:Insectoid Xindi. The size of insects on earth is inherently limited by the gravity of the planet. Their exoskeleton couldn't hold up. Basically any planet over the size of the moon would produce too much gravity for a bug to get bigger than they are now. So unless the Xindi homeworld is smaller than the moon, they would be unable to exist. Therefore the Xindi planet must be smaller then a class M.
Dude, just 'cause it looks like a bug doesn't make it a bug. There's no reason any of those aliens should even be in the same kingdom as anything on Earth.

No shit, which is why i ignored the problems about insects that size breathing in normal gravity and such because we don't know their physiology, and instead went with basic stress mechanics that would be the same.

For all we know they could be made of something tougher, or have an endoskeleton.

You claim it has an endoskeleton or that its exoskeleton is radically different? Prove it.

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2003-09-14 08:06pm

Ender wrote:http://www.trektoday.com/news/080803_01.shtml

This says that the homeworld was deserted not destroyed...

It also mentions a giant space going sphere connected to the Xindi... What's it going to be named, the Doom Sun?

Thanks for the sequence of T'Pol pictures. I know she's not everyone's cup of tea, but, wow. She's cute as hell, even if the boobies scene was rather cheesy.

Okay, to the point:

The Xindi-Humanoid's help turns out to be for naught, as the planet is deserted when Enterprise arrives: the Xindi have gone underground. Now more dangerous than ever, the various Xindi species plot the final destruction of earth.

As Buzak noted, that's pretty old information. You could say the planet was deserted...I don't think anyone was living on those asteroids

But it was shattered.

Regarding the big sphere, I'm not sure what connection that'll have to the Xindi:

Set approximately two weeks later, "Anomaly" revolves around an attack by a group of aliens known as the Ventaxians. The Enterprise crew drives the boarders off and follows them back to their base, a large sphere which has its own cloaking device.

When Xindi material is found on the sphere, Archer becomes obsessed about finding further information on the mysterious species.

"Xindi material" is pretty vague. It's easily arguable that the miners in the season premiere had Xindi material. Shit, you could say that the Enterprise had Xindi material--Archer did take a humanoid Xindi's finger back on board for analysis

However, it wouldn't totally surprise me if this sphere ship was Xindi in origin. The Xindi probe which shot at Earth last season was a sphere. I'm half-expecting their planet-killing weapon to be a big sphere with a huge dish on it, perhaps even with tributary beams and a weapons officer that shouts, "Commence primary ignition!"

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-09-14 08:37pm

Ender wrote:
For all we know they could be made of something tougher, or have an endoskeleton.
You claim it has an endoskeleton or that its exoskeleton is radically different? Prove it.

Um, Ender, you know you don't have much support yourself.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-09-14 09:10pm

Is it just me or did Tucker's dream seem like a total ripoff of Sarah Connors in T2?

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-09-14 10:04pm

Alan Bolte wrote:Dude, just 'cause it looks like a bug doesn't make it a bug. There's no reason any of those aliens should even be in the same kingdom as anything on Earth. For all we know they could be made of something tougher, or have an endoskeleton.

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Enterprise 301 "The Xindi" Spoilers