Genesis Planet

Equinox2003 · Post by **Equinox2003** » 2003-08-03 05:28am

In Trek 3, I refer to the scene where McCoy tries to buy a ride to the
Genesis Planet. The alien refuses saying that Genesis was restricted,
and he would not go there.

I don't know how it was that the alien even knew about the Genesis
Planet. After all, info about it was hardly public. Kirk had to undergo
a retenal scan just to see a summary about it in TWOK.
Any ideas on how the alien could have found out about the Genesis
Planet?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-08-03 05:37am

Perhaps underworld or black market circles.

Luke Starkiller · Post by **Luke Starkiller** » 2003-08-03 10:54am

IIRC he said that that sector (system?) was restricted, not that Genesis itself was.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-08-03 10:56am

What I've always wondered is how the Genesis Device constructed a planet out of a nebula. Dr. Marcus specifically said it could be used on a moon, or other dead form.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-08-03 12:39pm

I thought the Genesis world was that barren planetoid.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-08-03 01:38pm

Equinox2003 wrote:In Trek 3, I refer to the scene where McCoy tries to buy a ride to the
Genesis Planet. The alien refuses saying that Genesis was restricted,
and he would not go there.

I don't know how it was that the alien even knew about the Genesis
Planet. After all, info about it was hardly public. Kirk had to undergo
a retenal scan just to see a summary about it in TWOK.
Any ideas on how the alien could have found out about the Genesis
Planet?

Obviouslly they made the exsistence of the new world immediatally public. Of course this does not say much for Star Fleet Command. They may not have reveiled how it worked but they might as well have. Did the US tell everyone, including the Japanese, when they sucessfully detonated the first Atomic Bomb....no! Note the Klingon spy did not seem to have trouble getting her hands on the tapes! BTW this is the only time we ever see a civilian owned ship in Star Trek!

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-08-03 01:39pm

that could explain why it didn1`t work so wello it WAS designed to work on a planet not create one from a nebula sure it would have the energy to do it but it wasn`t programmed to so Genesis planet had troubles.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-08-03 02:25pm

Typhonis 1 wrote:that could explain why it didn1`t work so wello it WAS designed to work on a planet not create one from a nebula sure it would have the energy to do it but it wasn`t programmed to so Genesis planet had troubles.

It also had troubles because David (the scientist) used something that he knew wouldn't work as well, simply to get the project finished on time.

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Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2003-08-03 02:38pm

Isolder74 wrote:BTW this is the only time we ever see a civilian owned ship in Star Trek!

Uh, not really. There have been several other private owned vessels in Trek.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2003-08-03 02:41pm

And he was a criminal, too. He could have been a pirate.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-08-03 04:39pm

Equinox2003 wrote:I don't know how it was that the alien even knew about the Genesis Planet. After all, info about it was hardly public.

Yes, it was. Kirk is told once the Enterprise docks that Genesis had become a public relations nightmare since they were gone.

Kirk had to undergo a retenal scan just to see a summary about it in TWOK.

Kirk must have had spyware on his computer, then. Because the Klingons bought the proposal from some shady merchants.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-08-03 04:41pm

Vympel wrote:What I've always wondered is how the Genesis Device constructed a planet out of a nebula. Dr. Marcus specifically said it could be used on a moon, or other dead form.

It used Regula itself, along with the nebula. Isn't it funny, how they were searching far and wide for a dead moon with no life at all to test Genesis on, when they were orbiting one the entire time? Spock said Regula was "essentially a great rock in space"!

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-08-03 04:44pm

Isolder74 wrote:BTW this is the only time we ever see a civilian owned ship in Star Trek!

Don't forget Cassidy Yates has her own ship. So did that guy that sold Tribbles, but we never saw his ship.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2003-08-03 05:08pm

I thought that the report the Klingon spy got in ST3 was Kirks report of the whole Khan/Genesis/Spock dying thing. I mean Kirk was suprised when Carol Marcus was mentioned in ST2 (remember, hes with McCoy in th turbolift)

So, he probably wasn't involved in the project. Plus, if he knew that much about it, why show spock the proposal? He could have just told him...

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-08-03 05:11pm

Lord Poe wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:BTW this is the only time we ever see a civilian owned ship in Star Trek!
Don't forget Cassidy Yates has her own ship. So did that guy that sold Tribbles, but we never saw his ship.

Yes as my point says. The TNG civi ships appeared to be government owned.

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2003-08-03 05:22pm

Lord Poe wrote:It used Regula itself, along with the nebula. Isn't it funny, how they were searching far and wide for a dead moon with no life at all to test Genesis on, when they were orbiting one the entire time? Spock said Regula was "essentially a great rock in space"!

The "rock" was were Phase 2 was experimented, the "cave of Wonders", while talking to Kirk, Dr. Marcus (the mother) said the matrix of the Genesis Device took two days forming, while the tunnel took the engineers two months (?).

Phase 2 should be on a lifeless "planet", and not even a single microbe should be present, per Dr. Marcus (mother, again) orders to Chekov and his comanding officer (forgot the name).

I should note that Dr. David Marcus used proto-mater (whatever the hell that is) to make Genesis work, but it was a very unstable substance, hence the decay suffered by the Genesis planet..

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-08-03 06:44pm

DocHorror wrote:I thought that the report the Klingon spy got in ST3 was Kirks report of the whole Khan/Genesis/Spock dying thing. I mean Kirk was suprised when Carol Marcus was mentioned in ST2 (remember, hes with McCoy in th turbolift)

So, he probably wasn't involved in the project. Plus, if he knew that much about it, why show spock the proposal? He could have just told him...

Unless of course the video was quicker.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-08-03 10:07pm

Lord Poe wrote:
Vympel wrote:What I've always wondered is how the Genesis Device constructed a planet out of a nebula. Dr. Marcus specifically said it could be used on a moon, or other dead form.
It used Regula itself, along with the nebula. Isn't it funny, how they were searching far and wide for a dead moon with no life at all to test Genesis on, when they were orbiting one the entire time? Spock said Regula was "essentially a great rock in space"!

I don't think Regula was quite big enough, and I don't think the Genesis team really intended for the first test to be on the nebula and planetoid... I think they wanted something closer to "ideal" conditions.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-08-05 05:33pm

Vympel wrote:What I've always wondered is how the Genesis Device constructed a planet out of a nebula. Dr. Marcus specifically said it could be used on a moon, or other dead form.

While this isn't really canon, it came from the Genesis Wave books and really deserves to be canon, the devise was described as pulling in all of the matter that it could to form the planet using the Reliant and surrounding matter to form a planet core. The reason Genesis was unstable was that the elements used to make the planet were unstable and the molecuar bonds created by using gases instead of solid matter fell apart.

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