Why did they change John Connor's actor in T3?

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2003-05-31 10:33pm

Well why did they? It always pisses me off to no degree when they can't or won't get an actor to return to do a sequel so they just use a replacement who looks nothing like them

So why the hell did they not use the same actor as T2?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-31 10:41pm

Shadow WarChief wrote:Well why did they? It always pisses me off to no degree when they can't or won't get an actor to return to do a sequel so they just use a replacement who looks nothing like them

So why the hell did they not use the same actor as T2?

Probably because Edward Furlong wasn't interested. I've heard that without James Cameron helming it Furlong wasn't interested.

And considering he was what, 9-10 in T2 there's room to change. The guy they have actually looks closer to 2029's John Connor than Edward Furlong does now.

I wonder if we'll see how John got the nasty scars all over his face?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-05-31 10:53pm

I heard it might also have been because of his drug problem...

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-05-31 11:03pm

Furlong has a really bad drug addiction. he's been in and out of rehab and jail so often that they didnt want his drug problem to interfere with the filming so they just hired someone else. Its just as well, he was never a good actor anyway.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-31 11:11pm

Furlong was actually cast for the role and accepted. However he proved unable to shake his drug habit, and then managed to get arrested twice in a single night, at that point the studio pulled the plug. Then eventually Stahl was cast in his place.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-31 11:17pm

Stormbringer wrote:
And considering he was what, 9-10 in T2 there's room to change. The guy they have actually looks closer to 2029's John Connor than Edward Furlong does now.

Indeed. Furlong was cast at basically the last minute for T2 and I don't think they where giving much thought to that at the time. What's interesting though is that T3 has two John Conner listed, one of which is played by a 15 year old actor, and the other which is 23 year old Stahl. Now that could create some problems.

I wonder if we'll see how John got the nasty scars all over his face?

I like the Rising Storm explanation. But there's little way in hell that series will mesh with T3.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-05-31 11:24pm

What year is T3 set (if it's known at all to the public at this point, that is)? I know that T1 was in 1984 and T2 was in 1994...

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-05-31 11:56pm

i would think that by now the timeline actually gets back to present day. T2 takes place in 1994, and T3 looks to take place about just under ten years later so that would put it around 2003.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-05-31 11:58pm

Late 90s, early 21st century, I suppose.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-01 12:07am

I'm pretty sure it's suppose to be present day, 2003.

russellb6666 · Post by **russellb6666** » 2003-06-01 12:24am

Sea Skimmer wrote:I'm pretty sure it's suppose to be present day, 2003.

yeah but wouldn't that just royally butt-fuck the Terminator time line??? I know that the destruction of the T1 arm CPU and T2 termie was supposted to stop judgement day but oviously it din't so wouldn't '97 be a more acurete date for the movie to be set in?? (if i sound stupid about this right now my bad i'm suffering from accute sleep depravation and my typing sucks right now and so do my mental facual...facaul.......my brain is just really fucking tired i need sleep

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neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-06-01 12:27am

With the change in timeline, it seems Judgement Day didn't happen when it was supposed to. As a result, it's closer to present day, as I think the previous Terminators were, the present day of their releases.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-06-01 01:20am

Remember, the dumb-asses FORGOT a Terminator arm that was jammed in some cogwheels in that foundry.

And they should have taken the CPU out of T2's head, THEN dropped it in the molten metal. The skull may have protected the CPU and it could have survived.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-01 01:56am

Furlong is one sexy bitch. Whats he hooked on? Cocaine?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-06-01 02:32am

kojikun wrote:Furlong is one sexy bitch. Whats he hooked on? Cocaine?

He's an alcoholic according to news articles archived on IMDB.

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2003-06-01 02:40am

Lord Poe wrote:Remember, the dumb-asses FORGOT a Terminator arm that was jammed in some cogwheels in that foundry.

And they should have taken the CPU out of T2's head, THEN dropped it in the molten metal. The skull may have protected the CPU and it could have survived.

The novelization said they picked up and destroyed any piece that was still left. Besides, an arm isn't going to do shit- the CPU was the center of Cyberdyne's research.

And the chip was destroyed, get that through your head. Whatever happens in T3 will have nothing to do with the T-800's chip.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-06-01 04:37am

Bug-Eyed Earl wrote:The novelization said they picked up and destroyed any piece that was still left.

So the Terminator series has a Lucasfilm canon policy now? Where did you read this?

Besides, an arm isn't going to do shit- the CPU was the center of Cyberdyne's research.

Then why did Cyberdine KEEP the original fucking arm in the vault along with the CPU if it was worthless?

And the chip was destroyed, get that through your head. Whatever happens in T3 will have nothing to do with the T-800's chip.

How do you know it was destroyed? As you say, the ARM couldn't jumpstart the research. Only an existing CPU could. Try proving your rebuttals instead of willing them to be better than my theory.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-06-01 05:24am

I'm wondering why they thought that all information was stored on site? Isn't a lot of work usually backed up off-site in case stuff like that happened? So an explosion of the building might not totally make the research impossible. Losing the chip and head engineer may have only delayed Judgement Day.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-06-01 05:36am

Lord Poe wrote:Then why did Cyberdine KEEP the original fucking arm in the vault along with the CPU if it was worthless?

To run material test's on it or because they were probably trying to figure out where the parts originaly came from and the arm is a part of the puzzle. Besides how much do you think keeping the arm in the vault would cost Cyberdyne? It's not like it would make a big dent on their bottom line, now is it.

I doubt that the arm it self would be of much use in reproducing the CPU or even trying to create more advanced computers. It might offer some insight in to the type of systems used in the T-800 series, but unless the arm it self has a CPU of some sort in it I don't see how it could of use in reproducing the CPU technology. Why would the arm have a CPU in it?

How do you know it [the CPU] was destroyed?

Even if the skull would have protected the CPU from coming in to contact with the molten metal it could not have prevented the heat from conducting in to the CPU eventualy. It would a pretty fucking impressive CPU if it could withstand that kind of heat.

I think that Cyberdyne had just kept a back-up of their research somewhere safe, unbeknownst to Miles Dyson, and was able to restart the research program based on that data (Dyson wasn't the only one working on the project). Doesn't require a super-tough CPU cabable of surviving being immersed in molten metal and doesn't require hyper-advanced computers to be built based on a smashed up robotic arm.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-06-01 05:42am

Not to mention there would be the factor of actually getting whatever little could have possibly remained of the CPU chip (most likely nothing) out of the molten metal...

I think they might have also kept the arm because it was an oddity, and to prevent it from being taken from somebody else.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-06-01 05:43am

Ugh, it's really late (or early)... I meant "taken by somebody else."

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-06-01 07:39am

Spanky, your avatar r0x0rs. Megatokyo rules!

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-01 11:46am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
And considering he was what, 9-10 in T2 there's room to change. The guy they have actually looks closer to 2029's John Connor than Edward Furlong does now.
Indeed. Furlong was cast at basically the last minute for T2 and I don't think they where giving much thought to that at the time. What's interesting though is that T3 has two John Conner listed, one of which is played by a 15 year old actor, and the other which is 23 year old Stahl. Now that could create some problems.

If they screw it up, yeah. But I'd wager they've given this some serious work and thought. Should be interesting to see it.

Sea Skimmer wrote:

I wonder if we'll see how John got the nasty scars all over his face?
I like the Rising Storm explanation. But there's little way in hell that series will mesh with T3.

Those books weren't too bad. I just consider them one possible way the future turns out. After all, Skynet's cranking out time line's like a motherfucker.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-06-01 02:08pm

The books have a better alternative to the arm only theory since the US gov't didn't trust the idiots at Cyberdyne and backed up the data offsite without prior notice.

I really wish T3 was based on Infiltrator, Colin Farrell would make a good Mr. Tricker (think what he was like in Minority Report).

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-01 02:12pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:The books have a better alternative to the arm only theory since the US gov't didn't trust the idiots at Cyberdyne and backed up the data offsite without prior notice.

I really wish T3 was based on Infiltrator, Colin Farrell would make a good Mr. Tricker (think what he was like in Minority Report).

IIRC T3 was starting filming around the time Infiltrator was finished.

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