That's what I was trying to implyBroomstick wrote: ↑2023-02-22 09:10am Unless Wagner and the regular Russian military wind up fighting each other. Which would not break my heart.
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That's what I was trying to implyBroomstick wrote: ↑2023-02-22 09:10am Unless Wagner and the regular Russian military wind up fighting each other. Which would not break my heart.
China knows that. If China sends Military aid to the Ukraine, that's tantamount to economic suicide for China. Nothing made in China would be allowed into countries that joined any economic action, and even stores would be rushing to remove 'made in china' to avoid getting lumped in with China and Putin. It would be Red Scare 2.0, but with major businesses getting targeted as well.EnterpriseSovereign wrote: ↑2023-02-22 05:25pm Well if China starts sending military aid to Russia you can expect 2 things to happen
- Economic sanctions against China which given their dependence on trade will hurt them more than it's hurt Russia
- Massive increases in the amount of military aid going to Ukraine
You mean the Russia that according to it's own budget and financial reserves has a 25+B$ monthly deficit, and will will run out of money in November 2023?EnterpriseSovereign wrote: ↑2023-02-22 08:59pm The thing is, the Russian economy hasn't suffered from the sanctions as much as was expected thanks to trade with other (non-western) countries.
If China was smart, they'd say 'no'.EnterpriseSovereign wrote: ↑2023-02-23 11:22am Makes me wonder if the visit by Chinese is actually to discuss bailing out Russia's budget.
long term, their artic ports are valuable, and short term, energy and minerals with a direct land border that cannot be blockaded by 3rd parties.Solauren wrote: ↑2023-02-23 11:29amIf China was smart, they'd say 'no'.EnterpriseSovereign wrote: ↑2023-02-23 11:22am Makes me wonder if the visit by Chinese is actually to discuss bailing out Russia's budget.
Really, Russia is a horrible investment right now.
That doesn't mean backing Putin's war is worthwhile. It would cause China more problems than it would solve.madd0c0t0r2 wrote: ↑2023-02-23 12:07pmlong term, their artic ports are valuable, and short term, energy and minerals with a direct land border that cannot be blockaded by 3rd parties.Solauren wrote: ↑2023-02-23 11:29amIf China was smart, they'd say 'no'.EnterpriseSovereign wrote: ↑2023-02-23 11:22am Makes me wonder if the visit by Chinese is actually to discuss bailing out Russia's budget.
Really, Russia is a horrible investment right now.
Even if China doesn't want Siberia, China is probably both wealthy enough and willing to trade with Russia after this.GrosseAdmiralFox wrote: ↑2023-02-24 12:01am Xi's trip to Moscow is probably something akin to 'you either pull out of Ukraine and end this farce OR you'll be sitting right next to Gorbachev in Hell and known forever more as the leader that made Russia completely subservient to China'.
People forget that Siberia -in the eyes of China- is Chinese territory that Russia took from them.