Solauren wrote: ↑2019-06-18 05:37pm
As Daenerys -
1 - Take time to heal. Both dragons took a beating. If need be, move further south to warmer climes (relatively speaking) and then let everyone heal.
Thank Sansa for her suggestion and wise council.
2 - Inform the Free Folk, that if they want to be part of the Kingdoms, I will destroy the Wall, as it's not longer strickly needed.
If they don't, how do they feel about a mutually manned passage where the Night King broke through?
3 - Inform Jamie Lannister he's under house arrest. He's not to be charged, but I can't risk him going back to King's Landing.
However, if he's willing to take a message to Cersei for me, then I will allow his release.
4 - Ask Arya to go to King's Landing, get ready to kill Euron and Cersei.
5 - Begin making armor for the dragons. One Ballista built could mean more.
6 - Begin the march South. I don't care if the Ironborne fleet takes Dragonstone. Euron has already shown that he's just about unbeatable on land, and no need to risk any forces.
7 - Have Bran recon King's landing. If he can possibly take over flocks of birds to attack ballista soldiers, do so.
This all seems good, though its debatable what the extent of Bran's powers are, and what he's willing to do. So much depends on God-Emperor Bran and his ineffable plan.
I agree very strongly about keeping Jaime alive if possible, and not only because I like the character. I want to use Jaime to create a new narrative, of a Kingsguard that serves the realm instead of whoever happens to wear the Crown at the moment, and will act as a check on tyrannical rulers. To create a culture of institutional loyalty rather than loyalty to individuals.
Assault on King's Landing -
Any enemy soldier that surrenders once we breach the walls, is to be taken hostage.
I'll be extracting pleadges of fealty from their families (if noble), or use them as enforced labor for a few months.
This will slow down the assault on King's Landing as prisoners are taken, but will show the common folk, the new rulers are good.
I have no problem laying seige to King's Landing. Also, I'm sure Varys knows how to sneak people in.
And if Arya happens to kill Cersei + co, takes her face, and surrenders, so much the better.
No matter what, however, the Golden Company is getting cooked. Why?
Cause they will not surrender.
Will they really fight to the last man if the person who's paying them is dead/captured/surrendered? One doubts they would have survived so long as a mercenary company if that was their mindset.
As Jon
1 - Suggest the above to Daenerys.
2 - Tell her who I am, then tell her I love her, and ask Daenerys to marry me.
3 - Ask to be put in charge of the Assault on King's Landing, so I can hand her the city as a wedding gift. A public declaration that I recognize her as the rightful ruler of Westros.
4 - Not tell anyone who I am, until after we've married. Swear Bran and Samwell to secrecy in the meantime. (Actually, I don't think I need to, but still....)
I'm hoping not having Varys semi-move against her, my parentage secret, her having the love she wants, and her best friend alive, will keep her temper in check.
Probably the best course of action.
There's the whole icky incest thing, but Targaryens don't care, I wouldn't really see Danny as my relative, and there's no real risk of little Joffreys being born, due to Danny being unable to have children.
PREDATOR490 wrote: ↑2019-06-18 05:51pm
Arya - Is effectively off the table. She left with Hound on her own with out a word to anyone. You cannot really count on Arya to provide any assistance due to her being a lone wolf player for some time.
At best, you can point her in the direction of Ceseri and wait, either Ayra will follow through or the Hound will manage to talk Arya out of it and all you really have achieved is waste a bit of time on a loose cannon.
Fair point. But there's a good chance she'll take care of the Cersei problem for us, if we wait a few weeks.
The practical way to go about things without abusing fore-knowledge. Allow the armies to rest, recover and march as a singular force to Kings Landing.
With two dragons and rested army, the march south to Kings Landing might take a bit but it will be unchallenged. Euron's fleet cannot do anything and any attempt to engage is going up against a rested army and two dragons.
Ceseri using the population as human shields will eventually strain King's Landing resources to the point they eventually bleed out and cannot fight allowing for a bloodless waltz into King's Landing as liberators.
Yes. And "Cersei used you as shields, we saved you" is a pretty good propaganda point, too.
The time can also be used to whip people into line, specifically, Sansa, Bran and Varys. Although, if you change events this way... a problem does occur in that Varys may not reveal his intentions to Jon or Tyrion before he makes his own play. Dany has no knowledge of what is coming and without exceptional luck, Varys will likely poison her and game over. Dragon fucks off along with all of the forces breaking into a civil war. Ceseri ends up the default winner and can wait to wipe out whats left.
So Varys has an... accident.
Or, if we can win Bran over, we ask Bran to keep an eye on him. He may not even move if Danny does a better job and he has no alternative candidate ready to go in Jon.
If worst comes to worst, I ask Drogon to catch and cook my food for me for a while.
If Dany dies, Jon is unlikely to pick up the mantle or be able to hold control of Dany's forces so the collapse is pretty much guaranteed. The only possible saving grace is Arya knocking out Ceseri. In which case, Bran ends up as king because Jon will fuck off and / or go into seclusion again.
Jon vs. Sansa - Jon is going to reveal his identity. That would seem all but certain given his behaviour so I do not really see events playing out any differently with the exception of the army aspect.
If you bring fore-sight into the equation -
As Dany
- Try to convince Jon to get his shit together. Marry the fucker if only for appearances. Impress upon him even further how dim he is being.
Jon is very much like Ned in that he will put duty over everything, except family. I can't really fault him for that, but in Danny's place I would try to impress on him that I am family too. Maybe compromise- you can come clean, but only after Cersei is beaten, we're married, and the realm is stabilized.
Unfortunately, as Dany you are fucked.
The moment Jon reveals his situation, Dany is stuck with an unwinnable situation.
The only way through it is to burn Bran, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Jon and Varys.
How do you burn God-Emperor Bran if he doesn't want to be burned? He's probably seen it coming, and there are decent odds he can warg into Drogon.
Fighting the Starks at this point is a losing proposition. They've all leveled up too much.
It really is an all-or-nothing situation because killing one will require nuking them all because the risk of leaving them is too great. This will cost Dany any loyalty with native Westeros forces which forces her to rely on Dragons, Dothraki and Unsullied alone.
Either this will result in Dany losing completely or a victory that will have her forever regarded as a Mad Queen with her only hope of holding onto power with the Dothraki and the Unsullied.
Yep. You need to win over the Starks, because they have protagonist character shields.
As Jon, entirely dependent on sensibilities.
Marry Dany - By far the best option. Swallow the pride and ignore the ick factor in a marriage. Or, take one for the kingdom and give Dany what she wants.
Simplest plan, but ties you in an incestuous relationship to a possibly unstable person while potentially pitting you against your family and kingdom. Could go well, or very very badly, depending on how stable Danny is in this scenario and how intractable Sansa, Bran, and Arya are.
The alternative and really out of character for Jon - Play the longer game. String Dany along and then have her 'knocked' off with the quiet help of Varys after King's Landing is taken then execute Varys on the spot.
As long as God-Emperor Bran doesn't intervene, you could probably pull it off.
The real issue is how much you want to accept the idea that Dany was always the Mad Queen and how much she will lose her shit. If you change events so that the Dragon does not die and Dany's adviser remains alive... Dany might stay sane.
The only potential source of a confrontation would be Sansa vs. Dany. In which case, Jon is stuck in the shitty situation.
I fully expect Jon would take out Dany to protect his family so... back to the same situation.
Yup.
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