OK, I've got several problems with all this. First, who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to walk on fire? Seriously? Sure, carnival performers, stunt people, other folks who get paid... they at least have a reason somewhat in touch with reality (i.e. it's a way to obtain money). But these tourists?San Jose: 21 people treated for burns after firewalk at Tony Robbins appearance
By Eric Kurhi and Mark Gomez
SAN JOSE -- Amid inspirational talk, chanted mantras and shouts of victory at a late-night firewalking event attended by thousands Thursday came agonized shrieks from followers whose soles were scorched by the superheated coals, witnesses said.
At least 21 people were treated for burn injuries after taking part in the crowning event of the first day of a Tony Robbins function downtown, including at least three who went to the hospital, a San Jose fire captain said.
The people who suffered various second- and third-degree burn injuries were among more than 6,000 who attended the motivational speaker's event at the San Jose Convention Center called "Unleash the Power Within."
After the event, which ended about 11 p.m., the crowd walked across the street to the park, where 12 lanes of hot coals measuring 10 feet long and 2½-feet wide rested on the grass.
Jonathan Correll, 25, decided to check out what was going on when "I heard wails of pain, screams of agony." He said one young woman appeared to be in so much pain "it was horrific."
"It was people seriously hurting, like they were being tortured," he said. "First one person, then a couple minutes later another one, and there was just a line of people walking on that fire. It was just bizarre, man."
Correll, a San Jose City College student, said he saw between 10 and 15 people being treated. He said he videotaped the scene for about 5 minutes before an event staffer
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told him to put the camera away.
But on a break from day two of the four-day event Friday night, others who walked on the coals said it was nothing short of life-changing.
Henry Guasch, 19, of Mountain View, said that after crossing the coals while chanting his mantra of "Cool moss," he felt powerful.
"Overcoming something like that, it's a breakthrough," he said, adding that he did slow his pace in the middle of the field and got a minor burn.
Guasch and Andrew Brenner, another fire walker, both said that the keys to not getting singed are faith and concentration.
"I did it before, didn't get into the right state and got burned," Brenner said. "I knew I wasn't at my peak state. I didn't take it as serious."
He said his feet blistered after the walk about eight months ago at another Robbins event, but he didn't need medical attention.
Kim, a 22-year-old who didn't want her last name used because she is still attending the event, said her two friends who did the walk seemed fine at first, but their feet started to blister about 10 minutes later. She said other people had similar problems, and a number of them were soaking their feet in a fountain at the park.
"It seemed abnormal that so many got hurt," she said, adding that many attendees Friday complained about blisters, and a woman sitting near her had both feet completely bandaged.
David Willey, a physics instructor at the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown in Pennsylvania, has published a text and video on the physics of firewalking and stated that it "does not need a particular state of mind."
"Rather, it is the short time of contact and the low thermal capacity and conductivity of the coals that is important," he wrote. He added that ash that builds up on coals can provide further insulation.
It took about 90 minutes for everyone to walk across the coals, fire officials said. It is not known how many of the people who attended the conference took part in the firewalk.
San Jose Fire Department Capt. Reggie Williams said event organizers had emergency personnel on standby and had obtained an open fire permit from the San Jose Fire Department, Williams said. A fire inspector from the department was at the event to make sure there was no accidental fire.
A statement released Friday from Robbins Research International, said, "We have been safely providing this experience for more than three decades, and always under the supervision of medical personnel ... We continue to work with local fire and emergency personnel to ensure this event is always done in the safest way possible."
On the Tony Robbins website, he promotes "The Firewalk Experience," a process where people walk across coals between 1,200 and 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
But that's not something the San Jose Fire Department recommends, Williams said,
"We discourage people from walking over hot coals," Williams said.
Second, the physics of how this all works is actually quite well understood, it's not mysterious, and doesn't require psychic powers. It comes down to glowing coals being a poor conductor of heat, ditto for ash that might be covering them, lack of extended contact with hot stuff, and to some degree the protective properties of nervous sweat. It does not require a "state of mind" or willpower or belief or mantra or chanting or whatever variety of woo-woo is being foisted on the gullible here.
You know, it's one thing to tolerate woo-woo shit that doesn't harm anyone but this has resulted in people being hurt. I don't give a fuck that they have (allegedly) done this safely for three decades (a claim I doubt). One person getting hurt might just be an accident/isolated stupidity but 12 getting significant to serious burns means something went wrong here. There should be penalties.
I suspect one of the "lanes" of hot coals was too hot, or lacked insulting ash, or something of the sort. Some situation where either the feet were contacting surfaces much hotter than typical in these circumstances, there was a lack of protecting ash, or both.
The other insanity is that, apparently, this farce didn't completely shut down the minute people starting getting hurt. It seems folks were still walking over that shit, and encouraging people to walk over this shit, even after 12 people were hurt. And, because of the woo-woo shit pushed at this "seminar" or "experience" or whatever the hell they're calling it they are going to blame the victims as not having faith or the proper level of belief or whatever rather than putting the blame on the event organizers who in any sane society would be held liable for these injuries whether due to accident or incompetence or both.
See, this is an example of uneducated stupidity. I'd question this being part of a demonstration of actual physics, a context where the phenomena is actually explained and would actually serve some sort of informative purpose. The fact it is used to perpetuate false beliefs and magic is just.... disgusting. I guess people would rather believe in personal magic and woo-woo than actually marvel at the real world.
), I'd call it a good show.
