Balancing the Force

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-04 01:07pm

I find this whole subject amusing. Mostly its the people that will argue endlessly over whether it was Luke or Anakin that brough the Force into Balance. Well, here is what I think. For the entire life of the Old Republic ( more or less) the light side was in control. To bring balance, the dark side would have to rule for a while. Thus, the Emporer. Anakin, I think, will play some pivotal role in bring the Emporer into power. Thus, the force is not exactly balanced, but the dark side cancels out the the years of jedi domination. Vader also slaughtered thousands of jedi, except for two masters, this balances out with the two sith. However this balance culd not be maintained forever, and along comes the son of Vader, Luke. Luke walks the fine line between good and evil for the better part of two movies, and in the end chose good.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-07-04 02:15pm

Yeah well it's not hard to figure out whats wrong when there are like 10.000 Jedi and 2 Sith, and it's been like that for thousands of years, well all that by itself say nothing but when they bring in "the balance of the force" it makes sense, heck we even see that the Jedi loosing their ability to use the force, probably a direct result of the unbalance.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-04 02:21pm

Yeah well it's not hard to figure out whats wrong

*Chuckle* Lots of people have a hard time figuring that out. Just because we're not dumb doesn't mean others aren't.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-07-04 02:26pm

David wrote:*Chuckle* Lots of people have a hard time figuring that out. Just because we're not dumb doesn't mean others aren't.

*shrug*

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-07 02:55pm

My question would be why must the Force come into balance. No evil is a good thing, is it not? Why must it come into balance when the Jedi preach against the Dark Side? It seems to be conflicting interest in the Force.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-07 03:06pm

Talon Karrde wrote:My question would be why must the Force come into balance. No evil is a good thing, is it not? Why must it come into balance when the Jedi preach against the Dark Side? It seems to be conflicting interest in the Force.

Without Balance, the universe will slowly tear itself apart.

I dunno, that's what happens in Forgotten Realms...

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-07 03:12pm

The Force has never been balanced except during the Wars of the Sith when there where thosands of Dark Jedi Fighting near equal amounts of Light Jedi, Otherwise its been one sided one way or another. Besides what use is Balance to the Force? Light Jedi evnutal go corrupt become evil and kill each other off
Its not balance its a Cylce!

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-08-07 05:14pm

If the druids dont preserve the balance everything goes to hell.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2002-08-07 11:53pm

My question would be why must the Force come into balance. No evil is a good thing, is it not? Why must it come into balance when the Jedi preach against the Dark Side? It seems to be conflicting interest in the Force.

I think that is pretty obvious in the AoTC...Yoda clearly states how them, the light jedi had gone arrogant with time. The good one turned to be righteous self-imposted corrects all that...But they actually are unable to see the Emperor's movie beneath their noses or even among their own rankings. They are unbalanced, because they do not anymore work as what they should.
After all, who you think is really powerful, those who choose the light for a "lack of option" - a lack of temptation - or those , like Luke who had to deal with die or not die, kill his father of not, rule the intergalitic empire or work hard to build a new republic ?
Of course luke will be the one with greatest Will. In the end, Darth left the balance back: alive is the only jedi, one who understood well both sides, faced both and remained with his own self intact. Not like the new republic ones, who are not even aware of the dark treats of the sith.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-09 12:16am

Igot you make a good point, but still it leaves me out to dry.

With evil "balancing" the force the galaxy can still be torn apart. For years on end the Jedi were "dominating" the force in a sense. During that time no galactic wars took place. Therfore for 4,000 years an unbalance in the Force did nothing. Now if the Sith had balanced the force during those years I believe a lot more death and destruction would have come.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2002-08-09 12:34am

Well, in the movies no one say anything about the Galaxy being torn apart.
Actually they say
Anakin will bring the ballace back - which means the ballace in alreay broken.
Even with the ballace broken, the galaxy still whole.

Then ? Bringing ballace to the force wont avoid the Galaxy being torn, because the Galaxy was whole with unballanced Force.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-09 12:46am

Which leaves us with the same question to begin with

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-09 07:24am

During that time no galactic wars took place. Therfore for 4,000 years an unbalance in the Force did nothing.

Acutaly there where, Alot of them, but limited to small wars between planets, Zahn got into this during his Duology where he talks about all those races FINALY being able to kick the crap out of each other like they wanted because the OR had Tons O Jedi, The Empire would kick anyones ass who tried it and the NR was incompltent desipite having a quater ton O Jedi

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-09 05:55pm

Mr Bean wrote:
During that time no galactic wars took place. Therfore for 4,000 years an unbalance in the Force did nothing.
Acutaly there where, Alot of them, but limited to small wars between planets, Zahn got into this during his Duology where he talks about all those races FINALY being able to kick the crap out of each other like they wanted because the OR had Tons O Jedi, The Empire would kick anyones ass who tried it and the NR was incompltent desipite having a quater ton O Jedi

::Smacks his head against the wall repeatedly:: By galactic I mean a war in which most systems of the galaxy are involved in, not planetary battles. Of course there were planetary battles. ::Smakcs his head once more for good measure::

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-08-10 06:15am

couldn't balance only be achieved if every jedi was a perfect blend of the light and dark sides, maybe a white chocolate side of the force?

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-13 04:27pm

consequences wrote:couldn't balance only be achieved if every jedi was a perfect blend of the light and dark sides, maybe a white chocolate side of the force?

lol. I can see it now, a Hutt's favorite dish, Marble Jedi

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-13 05:42pm

I've always thought of it as the Sith being an imbalance because they draw so much power to themselves. Light and dark can co exist fine in the force without causing an imbalance but Sith cannot.

Prolly wrong but it's what I believe.

Jack Lain · Post by **Jack Lain** » 2002-08-13 10:31pm

Something of the old argument. Can evil exist without good? Can good exist without evil? Or are the interdependent? Codependent?

There was another post that likened many of the Star Wars stories to Catholicism. Could we not see the Jedi Order in TPM and AOTC as similar? A basically good institution becoming overrun with self-righteous arrogance? Does not pride come before the fall? And is not Anakin very prideful in his appearances in AOTC? I think this formula is being used in the movies.

Anakin balances the force. - 2 dark - Vader and Emperor - 2 light - Luke and his sister. But in the end, at ROTJ - what do we have? 2 Light. If our EU writers are any good, they will pick up on this after the next movie and we can stop reading about the uber weapon of the week. And start reading some really good intricate stories.

Jack Lain · Post by **Jack Lain** » 2002-08-13 10:38pm

After writing what he did, Jack realizes that he is a total fucking idiot.
It isn't Luke and Leia dumbass <-- speaking to self.

A master and an apprentice!!!
Emperor and Vader
Yoda and Obi-wan.

Duh!!!

Me = dumb! Please forgive moron and his post ug. The balance Anakin creates is that one. It has nothing to do with Luke and Leia. Jack picks up bone and attacks nearest cousin in front of the black stone! That was me!!!

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-14 12:52am

Jack Lain wrote:Something of the old argument. Can evil exist without good? Can good exist without evil? Or are the interdependent? Codependent?

There was another post that likened many of the Star Wars stories to Catholicism. Could we not see the Jedi Order in TPM and AOTC as similar? A basically good institution becoming overrun with self-righteous arrogance? Does not pride come before the fall? And is not Anakin very prideful in his appearances in AOTC? I think this formula is being used in the movies.

Anakin balances the force. - 2 dark - Vader and Emperor - 2 light - Luke and his sister. But in the end, at ROTJ - what do we have? 2 Light. If our EU writers are any good, they will pick up on this after the next movie and we can stop reading about the uber weapon of the week. And start reading some really good intricate stories.

Sorry, but as a Catholic, I beg to differ. Because of the sins of a few priests many people assume the Catholic Church is sinful and arrogant. HOW?? You can't judge the Church by a few of it's members idiotic actions. This would be like saying I hate my country (which I don't, I love it) because it allows abortions and liberal propoganda to happen every day in the Legilature. COME ON.

As for coexistence, no way. This I would liken to the creation of the world. God created good, he did not create evil. The world was perfect until man created sin.