Power of Star Wars weapons, a tad bit exagerated

[Praeothmin]

All I see, everywhere I look, are warsies happily spouting that Heavy turbolasers are in the gigaton range, and that they are sooo powerful.

But when I watch the movies, I don't see that kind of firepower.
Except for the asteroid scene in EMP, no Imperial has ever demonstrated that level of firepower.

In AotC, the Acclamators are on Geonosis, Firing at the Trade Federation, and all we see when weapons miss is a small puff of sand bleing blown up.

It's the same in ESB, when the Imperial Walkers (AT-AT) fire at the rebels, even with their chin mounted cannons, they make small holes in the ground at the rebels feet.

Blasters make small holes in Stormtrooper armor, and in the walls on Cloud city on Bespin.

Heavy firepower indeed...

And can anyone tell me how a Gigaton level shield (Capital ships light Nebulon-B Medical Frigates, which can resist at least one or two Heavy ISD Turbolaser hit) can be threathened by less than a hundred (In fact, in RotJ, we saw less then a dozen, but lets be fair and say the empire charged with a hundred) Kiloton scale weapons (Tie fighter cannons)?

If you wish to base your power estimates on one incident (in canon SW, that is, the movies), then I will do the same for ST.
In DS9, in the Episode "The Die Is Cast", a fleet of only 10 Romulan Warbirds and 10 Keldon Cardassian ships (Galaxy-class equivalent) attacked a planet.
The Dialogue stated that the crust would be destroyed in less than an hour, and the mantle in less than five.
They effectively destroyed 30% of the crust in the initial volley.
I'm pretty sure their weapons were in the Gigaton range too.

And, although Mr Wong's site is well made, and very interesting to read, and although his scientific knowledge cannot be faulted (at least not by me), I find it interesting that his real-world, modern science arguments, although very pertinent and clear and the ST debunking segment, is sadly not present in his SW side of the site.

We never read how SW science violates any modern principle, or any modern scientific law.

Mr Wong talks about Phaser particles (Nadions = invented) as if he has a hard time believing they could exist, reminding us they aren't real, but foregoes any doubting comments on Tibanna gas, the energy absorbing gas that gives Turbolasers and Blasters their power.

Because, Tibanna gas has an energy absorption of 59% naturally, and 78% once refined, although no gas in real life (as far as my research goes) can absord energy more than 23 or 25%.
Yet mR Wong doesn't critisize it.

Same goes for Warp travel.
Mr Wong says that "If you're willing to believe that Warp travel can exist", or words to that extent (in his comparative trends, more specifically in Warp vs. Hyperspace), yet he willingly accepts Hyperspace and Hypermatter.
What scinetific law states that in Hyperspace, it is normal to encounter "Shadow Mass"?
How can an object in "Realspace" project a Hyperspace "Shadow"?

By the way, any asshole out there thinking of taking this thread as proof that Mr Wong doesn't know anything, Fuck Off.
Mr Wong's scinetific knowledge and expertise are not in question in any way, just his unbiasness vis-a-vis SW and ST.
Waiting for heated responses...now!

[NecronLord]

Same goes for Warp travel.
Mr Wong says that "If you're willing to believe that Warp travel can exist", or words to that extent (in his comparative trends, more specifically in Warp vs. Hyperspace), yet he willingly accepts Hyperspace and Hypermatter.
What scinetific law states that in Hyperspace, it is normal to encounter "Shadow Mass"?
How can an object in "Realspace" project a Hyperspace "Shadow"?

The same way that hyperspace can exist at all. When you graduate from the imperial naval academy as an interdicion technician you can lecture us on how it works, other than that please, just accept that it does. I could ask How Phasers disintegrate people, and make long complicated theories, but the point is, it is undeniably cannon that it does

[SirNitram]

1) ESB was the light guns. The heavy guns are the ones firing shots longer than the ISD's in ROTJ. These weapons have never been fired on non-starship targets in the movies.

2) The Acclamators fired in AOTC? Where/When? (Remember the Acclamators are the ISD-looking things that carried troops to the planet).

3) I don't think anyone's ever claimed AT-AT's carry megaton firepower... Okay, making Kaz has...

4) Blasters punch torso sized chunks from walls. Please show me a RL weapon that can do the same, short of a rocket launcher, please.

5) Presumably some of the TIEs carried missile weapons.

6) That dialogue is contradicted moments later. Please watch the episode before using it as proof.(They're sending up false sensor readings!)

7) Phasers vs. Blasters. It really comes down to this: Blasters act as if they are medium-yield plasma guns. They act like plasma should, including firepower. Tibanna Gas is gas.. The ammo for any plasma-based weapon. Phasers, on the other hand, handily violate a half-dozen physical laws. Blasters, being entirely Direct Energy Transfer(DET. It means all the energy in the impact comes from the firing object, as opposed to chain reactions), don't.

Of course not. It's not magic disappearance acts like the Phaser has, it's merely a higher grade of energy absorbtion. Far easier to swallow than 'Bang, you vanish'.

9) Warp is ugly because it is slow, despite the fact what we know of science says slow FTL is more energy-intensive than fast FTL.(Basically, energy requirements rise as you get closer to Lightspeed, so Warp 1 should require infinite energy. But it doesn't.) Warp is also a putrified version of a semi-legitimate idea for FTL(Which has the minor problem of requiring negative energy and wrapping your starship in it). The biggest problem, of course, is that Trekkies claim Warp is more realistic, so one must point out it isn't.

10) Hyperspace's nature is contested. The two models are 'Semi-attached dimension', possibly a form of Subspace, which is effected by gravity in reality. And the other model is that the ship is simply 'flipped' so it's going faster than light, never actually hitting Lightspeed, so the 'gravity well' is really just the instrinsic problems of hitting something while going so fast Light can't keep up.

It's nice to see a Pro-Trek debator who isn't an asshole and an idiot. Hope this helps.

Moderators: There seems to have been a doublepost. Could someone do something about that?

[arctic_series]

Same goes for Warp travel.
Mr Wong says that "If you're willing to believe that Warp travel can exist", or words to that extent (in his comparative trends, more specifically in Warp vs. Hyperspace), yet he willingly accepts Hyperspace and Hypermatter.
What scinetific law states that in Hyperspace, it is normal to encounter "Shadow Mass"?
How can an object in "Realspace" project a Hyperspace "Shadow"?

that's because people try to pass off treknology as being realistic while totally dismissing SW tech therefore concluding that ST must be better, and as such would win in a st vs sw debate.