Jesus is god... logic?

[Orion]

Ah man it was hilarious today. We were having pursuasive speach presentations in English and this kid got up and proceeded to explain to the class how you could logicly explain Jesus was the son of god.

Ok this is how it went

In order for jesus not to be the son of god three things would have to be true. Jesus was either a lier, a lunatic, or those who wrote about him were dillusional.

He proceeded to explain jesus was not a lier through passages in the Bible, and did the same for proving he was not a lunatic. He then went on to explain that all the deciples could not have been liars because they had nothing to gain and everything to loose, and how unlikly it was that all eleven of them were dillusional/insane.

When he was giving his speech I wrote all of his arguments down and very enthusiastically made him aware of his giant leaps in logic. I also made light of the huge mistake using the bible(a very bias and unreputable source) as a reference point. This is when the fun began!!

It was me and three others against a class of thirty five students. A huge argument of science, logic, and common sense vs. the Bible in "PRAISE THE LORD!!!" Lake Arrowhead, California.

Nothing was resolved of course because they're all fundies but it was still fun. The kid wants to have a private disscussion with me now about evolution.(I suppose to save my soul)

Nothing really relevent, I just wanted to explain to you all why it was such a good day and if you have any suggestions or simply just want to mock this idiot, by all means, GO AHEAD.

[Pink Eye]

In order for jesus not to be the son of god three things would have to be true. Jesus was either a lier, a lunatic, or those who wrote about him were dillusional.

With one mighty click of the mouse, he stumbled upon the old and lame "Lord, Liar, Lunatic" argument. Man, he didn't even try.

[Orion]

They probably gave him the same speach in the "skeptics" part of bible school.

[God Emperor]

The otherday I learned that some of my friends were young earth creationist and we had a fun argument.

[Colonel Olrik]

I would really hate to grow up in certain parts of America. Here, we had a token christian in the class. He didn't speak much, by some reason. Maybe fear of being ridicularized.

Oh, and the high school Moral & Religion class (always optional) vanished to unexistence due to lack of interested costumers.

[Mr Bean]

The otherday I learned that some of my friends were young earth creationist

Found a relative or two of mine who where was not pleasant to find out the stupidity is spreading

[Frank Hipper]

I would really hate to grow up in certain parts of America. Here, we had a token christian in the class. He didn't speak much, by some reason. Maybe fear of being ridicularized.

Oh, and the high school Moral & Religion class (always optional) vanished to unexistence due to lack of interested costumers.

I can't think of a place in the U.S. that is free of fundamentalists. I would imagine Portugal has it's share of old school, extra-superstitious Catholics, though.

[Robert Treder]

I would really hate to grow up in certain parts of America. Here, we had a token christian in the class. He didn't speak much, by some reason. Maybe fear of being ridicularized.

Oh, and the high school Moral & Religion class (always optional) vanished to unexistence due to lack of interested costumers.

I can't think of a place in the U.S. that is free of fundamentalists. I would imagine Portugal has it's share of old school, extra-superstitious Catholics, though.

The San Francisco Bay Area is pretty good. A lot of 'harmless' Christians, to be sure, but I've never actually met a fundie in the traditional sense. I've seen a JW church around here, though I've never met a JW. There are a lot of Catholics, but they're not annoying. There are also large populations of Hindus, Buddhists, and Muslims.
But overall, I've encountered light and passive resistance to atheism, but no real fundies.

[Colonel Olrik]

can't think of a place in the U.S. that is free of fundamentalists. I would imagine Portugal has it's share of old school, extra-superstitious Catholics, though.

It has a few, of course. But we don't hear them on the media, and there are too few of them to make any kind of pressure in society. They are completely out of the State (we never hear "God bless you all" from any president, in fact our present and last presidents were self-professed atheists, for example) and out of the schools.

The number of priests is vastly decreasing, expected to be reduced by half in the next ten years.

The rest of the E.U generally follows this trend. No matter how badly the Pope feels about it, the fact is that most E.U countries are atheist, when compared to the U.S.

[Wicked Pilot]

The rest of the E.U generally follows this trend. No matter how badly the Pope feels about it, the fact is that most E.U countries are atheist, when compared to the U.S.

Screw this bullshit, I'm moving the Europe.

[Darth Wong]

America is by far the worst seat of hardline Christian fundie stupidity in the world. When I look at religious broadcasting from the states, I just shake my head; these people are complete imbeciles. They also have the dubious distinction of agreeing with Osama Bin Laden that 9/11 was the hand of God.

[Vympel]

The rest of the E.U generally follows this trend. No matter how badly the Pope feels about it, the fact is that most E.U countries are atheist, when compared to the U.S.

Screw this bullshit, I'm moving the Europe.

If you had put that in cartman html code that would've been even funnier

[Zoink]

In order for Jesus not to be the son of god three things would have to be true. Jesus was either a liar, a lunatic, or those who wrote about him were dillusional

Stick to one point and don't let him/them direct the conversation. This statement above is somewhat true, if lacking (eg. another possibility: someone later alterted the text of the bible). Ask what the end result of any three of these things being true is: that the bible is false. If they are unable to grasp the concept that if Jesus was a liar then the passages are false... there is no point in continuing the conversation. You are only participating in an excercise in futility.

You pointed this out to them, but if they are unable to grasp the concept, I would simply keep pointing out that they failed to prove that Jesus was not a liar. They will probably be annoyed at you and tell you to change the topic... but that is only their natural reaction to ignore what is against their beliefs.

What was the teacher's take on this discussion? Did he/she remain neutral?

[Stormbringer]

America is by far the worst seat of hardline Christian fundie stupidity in the world. When I look at religious broadcasting from the states, I just shake my head; these people are complete imbeciles. They also have the dubious distinction of agreeing with Osama Bin Laden that 9/11 was the hand of God.

To be fair Mike, most American's think those assholes are well.... assholes. The problem with democratic governement and society is the idiots are equal.

And like or not the Fundies are the ones that are most adimant and agressive. They simply drown out the sane people.

[Lagmonster]

Ahhhh. I remember the day when I found out that a girl I was trying to date (read: boink) was the daughter of classical hard-nosed fundies. I was at her house waiting to pick her up, and passed the time chatting with her dad, who I genuinely liked.

Then the mother came out and, knowing I was a student of science, said, "Oh, did you hear the news? There were these scientists who discovered that the earth really is less than 6000 years old. Of course, you probably already knew that, but it's nice to finally hear the truth from professional scientists out there."

I was 16, so I just made a little 'um-hmm' noise of affirmation and smiled, and that was the end of that. Now, if I knew then what I know now, I would neither have let that argument go nor had sex that evening.

[Zoink]

so I just made a little 'um-hmm' noise of affirmation and smiled

I've made many similar noises, usually around co-workers and certain family members.

[Durandal]

America is by far the worst seat of hardline Christian fundie stupidity in the world. When I look at religious broadcasting from the states, I just shake my head; these people are complete imbeciles. They also have the dubious distinction of agreeing with Osama Bin Laden that 9/11 was the hand of God.

To be fair Mike, most American's think those assholes are well.... assholes. The problem with democratic governement and society is the idiots are equal.

This isn't really true. Anyone can be an asshole, but it takes lots of faithful supporters to be influential asshole with lots of money.

[Wicked Pilot]

If you had put that in cartman html code that would've been even funnier

[Cartman]Screw you guys, I'm going to Europe.[/Cartman]

[Orion]

The teacher stayed completely nuetral and allowed two comments from each student so the argument wouldn't go on all class period.

It did anyways though

[The Dark]

America is by far the worst seat of hardline Christian fundie stupidity in the world. When I look at religious broadcasting from the states, I just shake my head; these people are complete imbeciles. They also have the dubious distinction of agreeing with Osama Bin Laden that 9/11 was the hand of God.

To be fair Mike, most American's think those assholes are well.... assholes. The problem with democratic governement and society is the idiots are equal.

This isn't really true. Anyone can be an asshole, but it takes lots of faithful supporters to be influential asshole with lots of money.

So we have a lot of assholes and a lot of gullible people. When the population's over a quarter of a billion, and a Bush is in charge of the government (which runs education) there do tend to be a lot.