Cardassian Rank Structure

Wired_Grenadier · Post by **Wired_Grenadier** » 2005-04-05 09:26am

Does anybody know what ranks their military has besides Legate and Gul?

DaveJB · Post by **DaveJB** » 2005-04-05 10:09am

Glinn appears to be the rank directly below Gul.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-04-05 10:17am

Legate, Gul, Glinn, and the non-canon Gil.

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FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-04-05 10:18am

How large can their military be, if it works with only four ranks?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-04-05 10:45am

How large can their military be, if it works with only four ranks?

Those are just the four ranks mentioned. There are probably more, we just never hear them.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-04-05 11:26am

FTeik wrote:How large can their military be, if it works with only four ranks?

Well Starfleet only has two canon NCO ranks: Chief Petty Officer and Crewmen. There has to be more than that for the fleet to work effectively.

Tommy J · Post by **Tommy J** » 2005-04-05 11:37am

Cpl Kendall wrote:
FTeik wrote:How large can their military be, if it works with only four ranks?
Well Starfleet only has two canon NCO ranks: Chief Petty Officer and Crewmen. There has to be more than that for the fleet to work effectively.

Actually I believe that Miles O'Brien was as Transporter Chief an NCO on the Enterprise, and as Chief of Operations on DS9 the same as well.

Interestingly enough they were kind of inconsistent about both. At one time IIRC, he said he went through the Academy and another time he didn't.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-04-05 11:43am

Tommy J wrote:
Actually I believe that Miles O'Brien was as Transporter Chief an NCO on the Enterprise, and as Chief of Operations on DS9 the same as well.

Interestingly enough they were kind of inconsistent about both. At one time IIRC, he said he went through the Academy and another time he didn't.

I believe those are positions rather than actual ranks but thats just my opinion, I have no proof to back that up.

I never noticed the academy bit. Haven't they been pretty consistent with that throughout the show after the start of TNG with everyone going through? Even that Romulan crewman they were going to crucify in the witchhunt (Drumhead?) went through the acadamy.

Tommy J · Post by **Tommy J** » 2005-04-05 11:55am

Cpl Kendall wrote:
Tommy J wrote:
Actually I believe that Miles O'Brien was as Transporter Chief an NCO on the Enterprise, and as Chief of Operations on DS9 the same as well.

Interestingly enough they were kind of inconsistent about both. At one time IIRC, he said he went through the Academy and another time he didn't.
I believe those are positions rather than actual ranks but thats just my opinion, I have no proof to back that up.

I never noticed the academy bit. Haven't they been pretty consistent with that throughout the show after the start of TNG with everyone going through? Even that Romulan crewman they were going to crucify in the witchhunt (Drumhead?) went through the acadamy.

Other than Captain, Star Trek ranks, structures, positions, duties make zero sense to me regardless. So it's not surprising they're not consistent.They'd have you believe that virtually every officer is a multi-tasker and an expert on everything from security to navigation aboard a ship with 1000 people.

With regard to the academy they would have you believe that everyone attends a training school the equivalent of West Point which is absurd as well. [The Aircraft Carrier Nimitz communication officer went to West Point

] Oh well, plot devices make great fiction but are virtually impossible to try to make sense of.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2005-04-05 12:07pm

Wasn't the 1/4 romulan guy from 'Drumhead' Soemthing along the lines of crewman 4th class? meaning they're are at least 5 NCO ranks?

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-04-05 12:20pm

Hmmm, concerning the Academy-stuff, wouldn't it be necessary for space-going-personal to have a lot more education, than your typical grunt?

Especially given the complexity of the enviroment and equipment they have to deal with?

Is there some justification for this academy-thing or am i complicating things?

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-04-05 12:37pm

Crazedwraith wrote:Wasn't the 1/4 romulan guy from 'Drumhead' Soemthing along the lines of crewman 4th class? meaning they're are at least 5 NCO ranks?

If he was he had no insignia identifying him as such. It's kind of pointless to have different ranks if you have no means of telling them apart.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-04-05 12:39pm

FTeik wrote:Hmmm, concerning the Academy-stuff, wouldn't it be necessary for space-going-personal to have a lot more education, than your typical grunt?

Especially given the complexity of the enviroment and equipment they have to deal with?

Is there some justification for this academy-thing or am i complicating things?

Academy's in modern military's are typically for officer training, while enlisted personnel go to trade specific schools for their training. There's no reason why all of SF personnel couldn't be trained at the same facility called an academy, it just doesn't jive with modern practices. And SF is supposed to be based on modern Earth militaries.

Tommy J · Post by **Tommy J** » 2005-04-05 12:42pm

FTeik wrote:Hmmm, concerning the Academy-stuff, wouldn't it be necessary for space-going-personal to have a lot more education, than your typical grunt?

Especially given the complexity of the enviroment and equipment they have to deal with?

Is there some justification for this academy-thing or am i complicating things?

Cpl Kendall can probably answer better than I, but it would seem that on a large military craft such as the Enterprise, their would be many specialists and very few generalists. Lets assume that the Enterprise [as the series started out [Next Gen] was akin to a Navy research vessel and not a per say 100% military vessel. Nonetheless on such a vessel not all of the command staff would be virtual experts in everything from engineering to navigation. This was nothing more and nothing less than a stupid plot device.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-04-05 12:53pm

we to remember that Starfleet comes from UESPA Starfleet(aka ENT Starfleet), so a single training center is possible as UESPA is NASA of United Earth.

Lord MJ · Post by **Lord MJ** » 2005-04-05 03:04pm

The crewman in the Drumhead did not go to the academy.

This was explicitly mentioned in the show. He didn't go because he didn't want to wait 4 years to get into space.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2005-04-05 03:16pm

Lord MJ wrote:The crewman in the Drumhead did not go to the academy.

This was explicitly mentioned in the show. He didn't go because he didn't want to wait 4 years to get into space.

TARSES
Yes, sir... All my life I wanted to be in Starfleet. I went to the Academy's program for enlisted personnel... took training as a medical technician... served at several outposts... and the day I was posted to the Enterprise was the happiest day of my life.

PICARD
Did you ever consider applying to the Academy... going the whole route and becoming an officer?

TARSES
My parents wanted me to... and I thought about it... I used to sit under this big tree near the parade grounds...

The Academy seems to be in charge of all Starfleet training, although the Academy itself seems to be for officers.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-04-05 03:27pm

Uraniun235 wrote: The Academy seems to be in charge of all Starfleet training, although the Academy itself seems to be for officers.

Yes but didn't CPO O'Brien go to the Academy?

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-04-05 03:33pm

FTeik wrote:Hmmm, concerning the Academy-stuff, wouldn't it be necessary for space-going-personal to have a lot more education, than your typical grunt?

Especially given the complexity of the enviroment and equipment they have to deal with?

Is there some justification for this academy-thing or am i complicating things?

I wasn't Navy but I'll try and answer your question using the RL Navy as an example anyways. Enlisted sailors have a specific trade that they specialize in and that their primary job on the ship, IE: communications, weapons tech, boatswain, etc. That being said there is a certain amount of cross training but not to the extent we see in SF where everyone can fix a warp drive or fly a ship.

I would imagine that the education needed for SF would be greater than an that to be an NCO on a modern naval ship.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2005-04-05 03:44pm

There were also two guys who had not gone to the Academy DS9:"Starship Down". In a scene where Worf is barating an crewman by the name of Stephens and O'Brien thinks he's treating him and another crewman a bit too harshly, when O'Brien takes it up with Worf he says, "You have to understand they are abit out of their element, they are not bridge officers, they haven't been to Starfleet Acedemy..."

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-04-05 03:56pm

So some enlisted personnel cane go to the academy put some don't. Perhaps you go back for leadership training after you attain a certain rank.