Can a lightsaber cut through adamantium?

[SirNitram]

Requiring you to objectively quantify Adamantium instead of going 'lookit i found teh thingie wich i tink proofs me raight!!!111' is 'acting like fanboys'? You're amusing. Shall I just state 'last chance', or will you even bother trying to act like less than an idiot?

admantiium is a class 1000 metal. shift x punches are like 500 megaton nukes. gladiator who is not a class 1000 being, with one punch, blew up an earth type planet.

And the Brooklyn Bridge is Class 3000. So this scale is beyond useless and is not even internally consistant. Please piss off.

[ali-sama]

Requiring you to objectively quantify Adamantium instead of going 'lookit i found teh thingie wich i tink proofs me raight!!!111' is 'acting like fanboys'? You're amusing. Shall I just state 'last chance', or will you even bother trying to act like less than an idiot?

admantiium is a class 1000 metal. shift x punches are like 500 megaton nukes. gladiator who is not a class 1000 being, with one punch, blew up an earth type planet.

And the Brooklyn Bridge is Class 3000. So this scale is beyond useless and is not even internally consistant. Please piss off.

not it isn't... the new scale or whatnot is bs. the classic marvel rpg stats are pretty accurate to the comics.

[Durandal]

1. The side of the reactor pit in episode one. Maul hits it repeatedly, and only raises sparks, not even making the edge glow.

As we would expect, reactor bulkheads are more heavily armored than the door to the bridge of a Trade Federation starship. Please explain how this nullifies the example of a lightsaber flash-melting material that is stronger than reinforced steel.

2. Dooku's ship's armoured hull deflects a blow from his lightsabre, leaving a small portion glowing.

As we would expect, the hull plating of a starship is more heavily armored than the door to the bridge of a Trade Federation starship. Please explain how this nullifies the example of a lightsaber flash-melting material that is stronger than reinforced steel.

3. Darth Vader's body armour is resistant to lightsabre blows. It deflects Luke's sabre in TESB

As we would expect, armor which is specifically designed to resist lightsabers is less easily damaged by them. Please explain how this nullifies the example of a lightsaber flash-melting material that is stronger than reinforced steel.

I've personally always thought that lightsabers have various power settings, for whatever reason. I don't remember the scene in TPM too well, but I think I remember Qui-Gon fiddling with the dial on the hilt when he stabbed the blade into the door. During duels, a more conservative power setting is used to save battery life, which is why Darth Maul didn't immolate Qui-Gon when he stabbed him.

[Stravo]

admantiium is a class 1000 metal. shift x punches are like 500 megaton nukes. gladiator who is not a class 1000 being, with one punch, blew up an earth type planet.

And the Brooklyn Bridge is Class 3000. So this scale is beyond useless and is not even internally consistant. Please piss off.

not it isn't... the new scale or whatnot is bs. the classic marvel rpg stats are pretty accurate to the comics.

What new scale? The NYC Sourcebook was made for the Revised Marvel Superheroes game. In the revised game Shift Z is stated at being Tactical Nuke level - in case you were wondering tactcial nukes are well within the kiloton range. The Brooklyn Bridge and most other large suspension bridges are rated at Class 3000 overall strength.

And as an aside, the Hulk in Issue 400 when he's banished to limbo while mindlessly rampaging through NYC crushes his adamantium statue with his bare hands - this thought that it takes cosmic level forces to destroy it is simply false.

Hell in the Meastro Hulk miniseries his cybernetic dog warriors' jaws were rated strong enough to break Adamantium.

And Magneto rearranging Adamantium shouldn't be a surprise opr a measure as to how powerful the metal is as Adamantioum is a metal - highly suspetible to his magnetic abilties. He has been shown to manipulate metal on a molecular level.

[Styphon]

Requiring you to objectively quantify Adamantium instead of going 'lookit i found teh thingie wich i tink proofs me raight!!!111' is 'acting like fanboys'? You're amusing. Shall I just state 'last chance', or will you even bother trying to act like less than an idiot?

in second grade logic terms... I asked you to quantify lightsabers first!

the fact that, so far, I have been unable to prove the durability of adamantium has nothing to do with the fact that you've also been unable to prove the destructiveness of lightsabers...

also, I note that you're paying much more attention to my insults than the actual content of my debate...

now... starting the search for proof...

A direct blow from Thor's hammer, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will slightly dent a solid cylinder of True Adamantium. A sufficient mass of Adamantium could survive a direct hit from a nuclear weapon.

which, of course, is no good cause of the "a sufficient number of layers of kevlar..." bit that is floating around in people's sigs...

here's something... Hulk's feats of strength
note the first entry... bends adamantium... not breaks... bends...
compare to later entries, like throwing a gem into the center of a planet...
all that power, and he can only bend it.

I'll post this for now so I can save some bandwidth and close my other window of SDNet while I keep looking for further evidence...

[SirNitram]

Requiring you to objectively quantify Adamantium instead of going 'lookit i found teh thingie wich i tink proofs me raight!!!111' is 'acting like fanboys'? You're amusing. Shall I just state 'last chance', or will you even bother trying to act like less than an idiot?

in second grade logic terms... I asked you to quantify lightsabers first!

I didn't affirm they could cut, only dismissed the patent stupidity of Adamantium being invunerable. Stupid Troll.

the fact that, so far, I have been unable to prove the durability of adamantium has nothing to do with the fact that you've also been unable to prove the destructiveness of lightsabers...

Flash-melting metal is 'nothing' to your deluded Troll ass, I see. Guess how long this tangent is staying topside with this behavior.

also, I note that you're paying much more attention to my insults than the actual content of my debate...

You have shown no content, child. You haven't provided a calculation or objective quantification yet.

[Styphon]

And as an aside, the Hulk in Issue 400 when he's banished to limbo while mindlessly rampaging through NYC crushes his adamantium statue with his bare hands - this thought that it takes cosmic level forces to destroy it is simply false.

wasn't that statue made of Secondary Adamantium? it's not nearly as strong....

[Stravo]

And as an aside, the Hulk in Issue 400 when he's banished to limbo while mindlessly rampaging through NYC crushes his adamantium statue with his bare hands - this thought that it takes cosmic level forces to destroy it is simply false.

wasn't that statue made of Secondary Adamantium? it's not nearly as strong....

No mention of all of it being secondary adamantium. It was always refered to as simply Adamantium. In the text box of that panel it mentions that the Hulk is so enraged at Thor that his hands crush the nigh invulnerable Adamantium that his statue is made of - followed by a nice closeup of the Hulk's fingers digging straight through the metal of the base of his statue and criss crossing cracks emanating outwards from his touch showing the metal coming apart.

Thor's hammer strikes the statue and it does not break, it makes a loud gonging sound that stuns the Hulk.

Your description of Adamntium says that Thor's hammer could not destroy it, it did not in this example but the Hulk was able to crush it with his bare hands.

[Styphon]

Requiring you to objectively quantify Adamantium instead of going 'lookit i found teh thingie wich i tink proofs me raight!!!111' is 'acting like fanboys'? You're amusing. Shall I just state 'last chance', or will you even bother trying to act like less than an idiot?

in second grade logic terms... I asked you to quantify lightsabers first!

I didn't affirm they could cut, only dismissed the patent stupidity of Adamantium being invunerable. Stupid Troll.

I've said nothing about Adamantium being completely invulnerable... I'm merely saying that just because it isn't doesn't mean a lightsaber can cut it.

[Styphon]

No mention of all of it being secondary adamantium. It was always refered to as simply Adamantium. In the text box of that panel it mentions that the Hulk is so enraged at Thor that his hands crush the nigh invulnerable Adamantium that his statue is made of - followed by a nice closeup of the Hulk's fingers digging straight through the metal of the base of his statue and criss crossing cracks emanating outwards from his touch showing the metal coming apart.

Thor's hammer strikes the statue and it does not break, it makes a loud gonging sound that stuns the Hulk.

Your description of Adamntium says that Thor's hammer could not destroy it, it did not in this example but the Hulk was able to crush it with his bare hands.

point conceded... The Hulk is really fucking strong...

[SirNitram]

I've said nothing about Adamantium being completely invulnerable... I'm merely saying that just because it isn't doesn't mean a lightsaber can cut it.

Prove it. It's not like the TPM event is even hard to quantify; to melt that much steel requires several hundred MW. A rather famous Trekkie(Lord Edam) pegged it at 500. Of course, since steel wouldn't take blaster shots, this is an incredibly conservative calc, but by all means, you're free to try showing Adamantium has thermal capacity above this.

Oh, and here's your handicap: this metal is shaped and worked by people on Earth, putting a definate limit on what it can take before melting.

[ali-sama]

I've said nothing about Adamantium being completely invulnerable... I'm merely saying that just because it isn't doesn't mean a lightsaber can cut it.

Prove it. It's not like the TPM event is even hard to quantify; to melt that much steel requires several hundred MW. A rather famous Trekkie(Lord Edam) pegged it at 500. Of course, since steel wouldn't take blaster shots, this is an incredibly conservative calc, but by all means, you're free to try showing Adamantium has thermal capacity above this.

Oh, and here's your handicap: this metal is shaped and worked by people on Earth, putting a definate limit on what it can take before melting.

Adamantium is created through the mixing of certain chemical resins whose composition is a United States government secret. For eight minutes after the resins are mixed, the Adamantium can be molded into a particular shape as long as it is kept at a temperature of 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit. After this brief period the process of creating Adamantium is completed. The extremely stable molecular structure of the Adamantium prevents it from being molded further, even if the temperature remains high enough to keep it in liquefied form. Only a device celled a Molecular Rearranger can alter the form of hardened Adamantium.

[SirNitram]

Well, even if we considered that passage accurate(It isn't; it's bull about a molecular rearranger being required is handily refuted by the examples in this thread), wow. A stable molecular structure. You know what also has that? Most crystals. So you just have an extremely rigid metal.. Good, one solid hit will cause it to simply fracture.

[Ghost Rider]

Okay, because Styphon is being classic stupid Marvel fanboy.

You do know while it has a structure that can be shattered(using a molecular rearranger is a shitty metal because that means in marvel terms it has no flexibiblity, but hey you want to do a big boy battle without providing a single mathmathical proof.)

Here's some fun facts of this overblown wank metal of Marvel.

Adamantium


And because Styphon can use a science lesson

KE vs Thermal

[Meest]

A direct blow from Thor's hammer, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will slightly dent a solid cylinder of True Adamantium. A sufficient mass of Adamantium could survive a direct hit from a nuclear weapon.

That's a solid cylinder, Wolverine's claws are thin and his bones are laced not solid adamantium. Lightsabres sliced through metals thicker than that without noticable impediment.

[Ghost Rider]

And for an interesting fun fact that Marvel has so fubared but many a Marvelite never leaves....and one I love using.

Steel: melting point of 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit

Think about that for a second when you read at what temperture your fabled metal must sits at.

And oh yes...

So you can do conversions

[Styphon]

And because Styphon can use a science lesson

KE vs Thermal

actually, it had occured to me that there's very little evidence on adamantium's resistance or lack thereof to melting... other than that surviving a direct hit from a nuke thing, but since they nebulously say that a sufficient amount of adamantium can do that, rather than giving specifics, it's worthless, because a sufficient amount of ANYTHING will survive a nuke...

oh, and I linked to the Marvel Directory earlier, what's your point there?

[Ghost Rider]

And because Styphon can use a science lesson

KE vs Thermal

actually, it had occured to me that there's very little evidence on adamantium's resistance or lack thereof to melting... other than that surviving a direct hit from a nuke thing, but since they nebulously say that a sufficient amount of adamantium can do that, rather than giving specifics, it's worthless, because a sufficient amount of ANYTHING will survive a nuke...

oh, and I linked to the Marvel Directory earlier, what's your point there?

I see, so you really have nothing on this except your own presumptions.

And just for the record, a bomb blast is a rather shitty energy thought given a bomb is never 100% of the directed energy.

[Styphon]

I see, so you really have nothing on this except your own presumptions.

And just for the record, a bomb blast is a rather shitty energy thought given a bomb is never 100% of the directed energy.

and the people who say lightsabers can cut through adamantium like a hot knife through butter have nothing but presumptions either... your point?

[Ghost Rider]

I see, so you really have nothing on this except your own presumptions.

And just for the record, a bomb blast is a rather shitty energy thought given a bomb is never 100% of the directed energy.

and the people who say lightsabers can cut through adamantium like a hot knife through butter have nothing but presumptions either... your point?

Ah, I get it...Because they showed that the math is there of Steel needs a higher melting point then your wank material and a Lightsaber produced the level of energy needed, you just want to be a retard.

I guess that's my point, but thanks for playing.

[The Yosemite Bear]

ok

adamantium is "nearly indestructable" however it's a ferrus metal alloy of both kinds of Vibranium and steel. It has shown to have a melting point once the alloy has cooled and the African/Antartic vibraniums have altered the molecular structure of the final material, to exceed that of a nova blast (The human torch generating a 1 megaton blast), and even that of 10 and 20 megaton detonations (various battles against Ultron, Future Imperfect, ect)

so we don't actually know what the composition of adamantium really is, we know that it has an obscenely high melting point, but that is partially due to the energy field generated by the vibranium componet, which would also explain why magneto pnwns Ultron and Wolverine most of the time.

[Civil War Man]

before I go, a little thing about Magneto effecting Adamantium... this is a guy who can fuck with the entire planet's magnetic field... really don't think that's helping YOUR argument if it takes that kind of power to mess with Adamantium...

Magneto screwing around with a planetary magnetic field just shows he's really powerful. It does not mean it takes him any significant amount of that power to screw around with adamantium. Just because a huge electromagnet can pick up iron shavings doesn't mean a huge electromagnet is required for such a task.

During the many times Magneto screwed around with Wolverine in the X-men movie, it did not look like he was putting forth a whole Hell of a lot of effort to do it. In those scenes I could imagine Magneto yawning while twirling his fingers and twisting Wolverine into a pretzel.

As for the OP, I imagine that if you took a lightsaber and hit Wolverine, you would easily cut through the skin (as lightsabers are wont to do), but may run into some resistance with the adamantium. It might take a couple swings before you're able to sever Wolverine's arm.

[Eframepilot]

I posted this info in the last thread on adamantium, but here it is again. In Secret Wars 8, the Human Torch is caught by the adamantium robot Ultron and unleashes his nova-flame. The walls of the room (made of some sort of alien steel) are melted into red slag and an immense pit is dug into the middle of the floor, presumably due to the vaporization of metal. However, Ultron's body is unharmed and not even glowing. He is deactivated only due to the overheating of some internal non-adamantium components.

So adamantium's resistance to heat is way the hell above that of steel, as shown in the comic. The damage to the walls far exceeds the melting of the TF battleship's blast doors, and Ultron received far more thermal energy than the walls due to his proximity. A lightsaber won't be cutting through adamantium in any reasonable length of time.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Fututure Imperfect

the hulk

Wolverine's Skeleton, and Ultron's metal shell are in the Meastro (evil version of the Hulk)'s trophy room, after being hit with a nuclear blast, it was the EMO that killed ultron...

[Eframepilot]

it was the EMO that killed ultron...

Is that like an electromagnetic pulse that wears horn-rimmed glasses, makeup and too-tight cardigans?