Klingon vs Vulcan

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-10-13 01:53am

The Silence and I wrote:Nope, the real Ferengi, the ones in TNG anyway, were described as much stronger than they look. One decked Riker very, very handily, for example, and two of them knocked over Data, though we don't get to see him kick their butts afterwards

I don't remember them knocking over Data. I remember Data easily controlling the ones that were attacking him and looking very unimpressed. Worf was having a lot of problems though....

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-10-13 02:05am

The Silence and I wrote:Nope, the real Ferengi, the ones in TNG anyway, were described as much stronger than they look. One decked Riker very, very handily, for example, and two of them knocked over Data, though we don't get to see him kick their butts afterwards

Only in The Last Outpost were Ferengi that tough. They turned into total wimps later on in TNG (even discounting DS9). Witness how Riker "leaned" on that Ferengi arms dealer in Unification pt. II

This change probably happened partially because the writers had abandoned their original plans to make the Ferengi a major villian in TNG, probably due to their inherent "silliness", and created the Borg to fill that role instead...

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-10-13 04:04am

Ma Deuce wrote:
The Silence and I wrote:Nope, the real Ferengi, the ones in TNG anyway, were described as much stronger than they look. One decked Riker very, very handily, for example, and two of them knocked over Data, though we don't get to see him kick their butts afterwards
Only in The Last Outpost were Ferengi that tough. They turned into total wimps later on in TNG (even discounting DS9). Witness how Riker "leaned" on that Ferengi arms dealer in Unification pt. II

This change probably happened partially because the writers had abandoned their original plans to make the Ferengi a major villian in TNG, probably due to their inherent "silliness", and created the Borg to fill that role instead...

Ferengi are cowards, and that Ferengi was way out of shape. This doesn't disprove Ferengi strength.

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2004-10-13 06:26am

Not all Vulcans are that strong either. Archer managed to knock one out cold with one punch to the head.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2004-10-13 11:55am

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
The Silence and I wrote:Nope, the real Ferengi, the ones in TNG anyway, were described as much stronger than they look. One decked Riker very, very handily, for example, and two of them knocked over Data, though we don't get to see him kick their butts afterwards
I don't remember them knocking over Data. I remember Data easily controlling the ones that were attacking him and looking very unimpressed. Worf was having a lot of problems though....

Maybe it was Worf

I know Data picked one up, then warned Riker (at least I'm mostly sure it was Riker) they were stronger than they looked. Then Riker got backhanded or something and went down. After that it gets very hazy, I haven't seen this episode in...

...8 years? More maybe. I'll dig up the script and se what it says.

speaker-to-trolls · Post by **speaker-to-trolls** » 2004-10-13 02:02pm

Bellator wrote:Not all Vulcans are that strong either. Archer managed to knock one out cold with one punch to the head.

That just shows that their durability is nothing to shout about, doesn't necessarily say the same about their strength.

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2004-10-13 04:27pm

so a Vulcan could knock out a Klingon because of the Vulcan's superior strenght...and a Klingon could knock out a Vulcan due the Vulcan's lack of durability.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-10-14 09:34pm

ArmorPierce wrote:In Star Trek, it seems like there is no race that's more rail than humans.

Do you mean frail?

Bring in the tribbles. Or perhaps a Betazed... we get no examples of their physical strength, and they look human enough. Maybe they could use their telepathic powers to attack someone... is there an example of this in TNG?

Brian

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-10-15 10:31am

Bellator wrote:so a Vulcan could knock out a Klingon because of the Vulcan's superior strenght...and a Klingon could knock out a Vulcan due the Vulcan's lack of durability.

depends on the klingon and vulcan in question. nothing we've been shown indicates all vulcans are made equally tough. In the episode where the crew of the enterprise got infected by spores on some paradise planet that made them all giddy in TOS, Kirk had to hit Spock repeatedly with a pipe to knock him unconscious after pissing him off enough to get him to fight and rid his body of the spores.

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2004-10-15 10:36am

Darth_Zod wrote: depends on the klingon and vulcan in question. nothing we've been shown indicates all vulcans are made equally tough. In the episode where the crew of the enterprise got infected by spores on some paradise planet that made them all giddy in TOS, Kirk had to hit Spock repeatedly with a pipe to knock him unconscious after pissing him off enough to get him to fight and rid his body of the spores.

Is it possiple that human-vulcan hybrids are tougher than pure Vulcans?

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-10-15 10:56am

Luzifer's right hand wrote:
Darth_Zod wrote: depends on the klingon and vulcan in question. nothing we've been shown indicates all vulcans are made equally tough. In the episode where the crew of the enterprise got infected by spores on some paradise planet that made them all giddy in TOS, Kirk had to hit Spock repeatedly with a pipe to knock him unconscious after pissing him off enough to get him to fight and rid his body of the spores.
Is it possiple that human-vulcan hybrids are tougher than pure Vulcans?

possibly, but there isn't really enough information indicating one way or the other. considering the gravity on planet vulcan is stronger than that on earth, you'd imagine vulcans would naturally be stronger due to the extra effort they'd have to put in on a daily basis.

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2004-10-15 06:48pm

it could be possible that spores, when affecting a Vulcan, have the added side-effect of enhancing their strenght and durability.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2004-10-15 10:55pm

Kirk might have mentioned that while telling the log he was about to anger a Vulcan, and how desperate he must be to do so. He implied Spock would be able to kick his face in anyway--no spores were mentioned.

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2004-10-16 06:46am

of course Spock would kick Kirk's ass, with or without spores to help him. Remember, this is about Klingon vs Vulcan, not Human vs Vulcan. Sisko got his ass handed to him on a platter by a Vulcan as well in a wresteling match. So wether or not Spock's strenght/durability was enhanced by the spores, it was likely he'd be more than a match for Kirk.