Lakota vs. Galaxy

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-09-19 02:45pm

USS Galaxy in her orginal configuration vs the USS Lakota after her refit.

my opinion is that the fragile early Galaxy class warp cores and the Lakota's quantum torpedoes make it an uphill battle for the Galaxy.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-09-19 02:52pm

Since the Lakota has quantum torpedoes and a tight weapons package, I think it would defeat the Galaxy pretty easily. The original Galaxies just weren't built for combat, and the Lakota features better phasers, torpedoes, and probably has better shielding and armor without the reliability issues. I give this one to the Lakota.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2004-09-19 02:58pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:USS Galaxy in her orginal configuration vs the USS Lakota after her refit.

my opinion is that the fragile early Galaxy class warp cores and the Lakota's quantum torpedoes make it an uphill battle for the Galaxy.

*sigh*
I don't want to me-too on this, but we've got a recently upgraded & refitted vessel going up against a 20-yr old design from a related class.

Lakota takes it w/ ease.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-09-19 03:50pm

Matt Huang wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:USS Galaxy in her orginal configuration vs the USS Lakota after her refit.

my opinion is that the fragile early Galaxy class warp cores and the Lakota's quantum torpedoes make it an uphill battle for the Galaxy.
*sigh*
I don't want to me-too on this, but we've got a recently upgraded & refitted vessel going up against a 20-yr old design from a related class.

Lakota takes it w/ ease.

Wuh? Glaxies 20 yr old design? When are you measing from. Galaxies were brand spanking new at the begining of TNG.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-09-19 04:14pm

Funny. People say the Defiant will be defeated by a Galaxy, yet the Lakota which has less QT capacity can defeat a Galaxy...

The Galaxy can put more weapons on target then the Lakota in a shorter period of time. This is a marked advantage.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-09-19 04:27pm

Well, since its a ast run galaxy they're subsribing to the one-hit BOOM! Warp core theory. Where in if the Lakaota gets a couple of solid hits in the GSC warp core is going to cook off.

Personally I think this I'll be MAD.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-09-19 05:24pm

Even the run of the mill Galaxy was never that bad with its Warp core. You have to knock its shields out first, and even then it can take moderate damage.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-09-19 05:26pm

Alyeska wrote:Funny. People say the Defiant will be defeated by a Galaxy, yet the Lakota which has less QT capacity can defeat a Galaxy...

The Galaxy can put more weapons on target then the Lakota in a shorter period of time. This is a marked advantage.

Agreed, plus, is the Lakota still sporting her original warp core and aux. generators? What kind of a strain is in on her power producing capacity to run the newer and probably higher energy use system?

The galaxy isn't the top of the line combatent, but I think it still has the edge over the refit Excelcior.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-19 05:28pm

I voted for "Galaxy wins easily", but then I remembered, Galaxy in stock config isn't the best warship but the Lakota has quantums (but likely weaker shields).

I shoulda said "Galaxy wins with heavy damage".

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2004-09-19 06:25pm

I say the Galaxy could do it with moderate to heavy damage; that is, if the galaxy is allowed to seperate and go to battle mode?

Thag · Post by **Thag** » 2004-09-19 08:24pm

I don't really think that separation would be necessary. An intact Galaxy still has pretty good weapon coverage, and there isn't any marked advantage aside from creating two targets instead of one.

For the fight itself, Galaxy wins with damage. Even upgraded, I don't think that the Lakota's shields have the capacity to be upgraded to Galaxy levels, and IIRC the Galaxy has a higher rate of fire.

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2004-09-19 09:32pm

Thag wrote:I don't really think that separation would be necessary. An intact Galaxy still has pretty good weapon coverage, and there isn't any marked advantage aside from creating two targets instead of one.

For the fight itself, Galaxy wins with damage. Even upgraded, I don't think that the Lakota's shields have the capacity to be upgraded to Galaxy levels, and IIRC the Galaxy has a higher rate of fire.

Are you kidding? a galaxy without the saucer is like a super nimble vessel for her size.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-09-19 10:15pm

Laird wrote:
Thag wrote:I don't really think that separation would be necessary. An intact Galaxy still has pretty good weapon coverage, and there isn't any marked advantage aside from creating two targets instead of one.

For the fight itself, Galaxy wins with damage. Even upgraded, I don't think that the Lakota's shields have the capacity to be upgraded to Galaxy levels, and IIRC the Galaxy has a higher rate of fire.
Are you kidding? a galaxy without the saucer is like a super nimble vessel for her size.

With only one target, that is rougly as manuverable as she is, what advantage would it really bring?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-09-19 10:24pm

Remove the saucer and now the battle section can dedicate more power to a smaller surface area of shielding. Battle section retains 85% of its firepower while getting a 200% increase in shield power.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-09-19 10:30pm

Alyeska wrote:Remove the saucer and now the battle section can dedicate more power to a smaller surface area of shielding. Battle section retains 85% of its firepower while getting a 200% increase in shield power.

But is it really necessary for the battle against the Lakota?

Thag · Post by **Thag** » 2004-09-19 11:06pm

Alyeska wrote:Remove the saucer and now the battle section can dedicate more power to a smaller surface area of shielding. Battle section retains 85% of its firepower while getting a 200% increase in shield power.

While reducing its forward firing arc significantly.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-09-19 11:14pm

Thag wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Remove the saucer and now the battle section can dedicate more power to a smaller surface area of shielding. Battle section retains 85% of its firepower while getting a 200% increase in shield power.
While reducing its forward firing arc significantly.

It looses one of the two phaser arrays, but that one array covers the same arc as both the saucers ones. So yeah, I guess it does reduce the amount of arrays, but the remaining one covers both the arcs of the other two.

Thag · Post by **Thag** » 2004-09-19 11:27pm

Are you sure? The arrays on top of the cobra head and the bottom of the engineering section are blocked by the hull, leaving the ship open to the front and front below. There's always the torpedo tube, but I don't think that's good enough for continuous coverage.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-09-19 11:30pm

Thag wrote:Are you sure? The arrays on top of the cobra head and the bottom of the engineering section are blocked by the hull, leaving the ship open to the front and front below. There's always the torpedo tube, but I don't think that's good enough for continuous coverage.

The 'hood' is slanted to mate up with the curve of the saucer. Since the strip is more or less towards the edge of the 'hood' it gives it a pretty clear field of fire both ventral and dorsal.

Whether this dellutes the total amount of energy on target via only one array instead of two, is a question, but as far as coverage? I don't think it effects it much. I'm sure there is deadspace, but it would be up close.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2004-09-20 12:04am

Knife wrote:
Thag wrote:Are you sure? The arrays on top of the cobra head and the bottom of the engineering section are blocked by the hull, leaving the ship open to the front and front below. There's always the torpedo tube, but I don't think that's good enough for continuous coverage.
The 'hood' is slanted to mate up with the curve of the saucer. Since the strip is more or less towards the edge of the 'hood' it gives it a pretty clear field of fire both ventral and dorsal.

Whether this dellutes the total amount of energy on target via only one array instead of two, is a question, but as far as coverage? I don't think it effects it much. I'm sure there is deadspace, but it would be up close.

wouldn't it also affect phaser stamina? I mean, we see the chaining effect from emitter to emitter on an array, and on large arrays, we see that long chains correspond to long phaser blasts, whereas shorter phaser arrays (such as the strips on Runabouts or DS9) or shorter chains on large arrays (such as when the E-E fought against the Scimitar) have a shorter duration.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-09-20 03:10am

Alyeska wrote:Remove the saucer and now the battle section can dedicate more power to a smaller surface area of shielding. Battle section retains 85% of its firepower while getting a 200% increase in shield power.

I am not sure about this. IIRC most of the Galaxy's phaser arrays are in the saucer section. So retaining 85 % firepower would be a problem.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-09-20 03:19am

There is no canon evidence that phaser strips are additive in that fashion. Indeed, some DS9 battles would suggest the contrary.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-09-20 10:40am

We've seen some indication that the larger arrays might be capable of a charge up shot that the smallest arrays are not capable of. This would explain the ocassional long load time between shots on the main arrays and their size compared to shots from smaller arrays.

However this might also be an issue of capacitors. Its possible that Trek ships use Capacitors to fire their phasers at higher rates of fire then their power generation can recharge. This would explain why constant phaser fire typicaly never happens.

Thag · Post by **Thag** » 2004-09-20 10:44am

They do. Watch TWOK during the initial contact with Reliant. When yellow alert is called, one of the things shown being charged is labeled 'phaser capacitor'.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-09-20 03:11pm

Thag wrote:They do. Watch TWOK during the initial contact with Reliant. When yellow alert is called, one of the things shown being charged is labeled 'phaser capacitor'.

Yeah but the ship your refering to a Constitution. Later classes of SF ships may use a different method.

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