Lore

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2004-09-05 02:15pm

JME2 wrote:Remember this is a Starfleet that's been changed by the Dominion War; *snip*

how does the Dominion War make Data property of Starfleet?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-05 02:20pm

Death from the Sea wrote:
JME2 wrote:Remember this is a Starfleet that's been changed by the Dominion War; *snip*
how does the Dominion War make Data property of Starfleet?

As Starfleet that's in no position to wage war or to deal with secession from the UFP. Data understood what was at stake and agreed to it, as much as he was against it.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-09-05 03:04pm

JME2 wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:
JME2 wrote:Remember this is a Starfleet that's been changed by the Dominion War; *snip*
how does the Dominion War make Data property of Starfleet?
As Starfleet that's in no position to wage war or to deal with secession from the UFP. Data understood what was at stake and agreed to it, as much as he was against it.

I believe DFTS is asking is there any precendence aside from a book that further clarifies this position.

Because as it stands one cannot use this as some reasoning to why Data displayed no emotion during the Nemesis movie but had access to it during Insurrection...since both are taken place during a similar time period of the Dominion war.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-05 05:39pm

Ghost Rider wrote:
JME2 wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:how does the Dominion War make Data property of Starfleet?
As Starfleet that's in no position to wage war or to deal with secession from the UFP. Data understood what was at stake and agreed to it, as much as he was against it.
I believe DFTS is asking is there any precendence aside from a book that further clarifies this position.

Because as it stands one cannot use this as some reasoning to why Data displayed no emotion during the Nemesis movie but had access to it during Insurrection...since both are taken place during a similar time period of the Dominion war.

I'm not saying it is canon and as I have said before, I have little interest in the series.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-09-06 03:13am

This is what really happened:

Lore was marooned on Remus until found by Enterprise-E crews. Oddly, everybody got sudden amnesia about him, so they gave him a new name: B4.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-06 04:15am

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:This is what really happened:

Lore was marooned on Remus until found by Enterprise-E crews. Oddly, everybody got sudden amnesia about him, so they gave him a new name: B4.

Heh. Well, as to B-4's origin (rather, how Shinzon got a hold of him) can be found in the Tales of the Dominion War anthology.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-09-06 04:49am

Stofsk wrote:While we don't see Data rip out Lore's limbs etc we do see him turn Lore off for good, kind of like Bowman turning off HAL in 2001.

And like Star Trek, HAL was reactivated in 2010: Odyssey Two. But unlike Star Trek, HAL and Discovery were physically destroyed shortly afterward.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2004-09-07 10:36pm

Ghost Rider wrote:
JME2 wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:how does the Dominion War make Data property of Starfleet?
As Starfleet that's in no position to wage war or to deal with secession from the UFP. Data understood what was at stake and agreed to it, as much as he was against it.
I believe DFTS is asking is there any precendence aside from a book that further clarifies this position.

Because as it stands one cannot use this as some reasoning to why Data displayed no emotion during the Nemesis movie but had access to it during Insurrection...since both are taken place during a similar time period of the Dominion war.

indeed that is part of it. but he said in an earlier post that Data was property of Starfleet, but actuality he is not.
Also what planet was this that Starfleet supposedly sacrificed Picards career to? There seemed to be no real indication that Picard suffered any career hit in Nemesis. Janeway making Admiral over Picard is easily exp[lained by the fact that it would not be the first time Picard turned down a promotion to remain on the Enterprise, much like Riker did repeatedly.
And actually Starfleet was in a great posittion to wage war, especially against a single planet. With the Dominion War over and Starfleet was in full swing with the war machine, aside from the "peacenik" attitude that most of Starfleet has (which has been largely silenced during the Dominion War) what really stopped them? .

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-08 01:24am

The planet was created for the books; Rashnar I believe. As I said, I've only barely followed the series and so that's all I recall about that planet.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-09-08 02:24pm

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:This is what really happened:

Lore was marooned on Remus until found by Enterprise-E crews. Oddly, everybody got sudden amnesia about him, so they gave him a new name: B4.

You left out the part where he stuffed his chin and belly-coverings full of silicone for that "I've let myself go" look that's all the craze in Nemesis.