Holographic Food

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2004-08-28 09:05pm

I assume that food eaten on a holodeck is "Replicated" but if it was holographic food, what woudl happen to a person when they leave the holodeck and the "food" disappears?

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2004-08-28 09:25pm

Instant diet

Eat all you want without gaining any weight

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-08-28 09:31pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote:Instant diet
Eat all you want without gaining any weight

Yummy, where are my cheesecakes?!

In anycase, I agree, the food and nutrients would more then likely just go away.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-08-28 10:13pm

Kitsune wrote:I assume that food eaten on a holodeck is "Replicated" but if it was holographic food, what woudl happen to a person when they leave the holodeck and the "food" disappears?

Food in the holodeck works on the same principle as the food replicators outside of the holodeck. It's real, it can be eaten and taken outside of the holodeck. There are many examples of holodeck generated material capable of leaving the holodeck. Water, snow, even tools and equipment have all been observed to leave the holodeck enviroment.

It's just a matter of some holodeck objects being simulated with forcefields and photons, and some physically replicated and therefore real.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-08-28 10:35pm

Food in the holodeck works on the same principle as the food replicators outside of the holodeck. It's real, it can be eaten and taken outside of the holodeck. There are many examples of holodeck generated material capable of leaving the holodeck. Water, snow, even tools and equipment have all been observed to leave the holodeck enviroment.

It's just a matter of some holodeck objects being simulated with forcefields and photons, and some physically replicated and therefore real.

That's not exactly true. I remember reading that the snow leaving the holodeck was actually a mistake. The writers basically screwed up. Also, the episode where Data took Moriarty's paper off the holodeck was an unifinished story line. Originally, the ending was to have Moriarty find a way to leave, and the reason Data freaked out was because that paper DID leave the holodeck.

Nah, Walper I think you're wrong on this one. Is there another example where stuff can be taken off the holodeck?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-08-28 10:39pm

Robert, remember on that second Moriarty episod, Picard threw a book out of the holodeck and it vanished. He then stated that NOTHING can leave the holodeck. I think you spoke a little too soon there, Walper.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-08-28 10:53pm

When Wesley fell into water on the holodeck he was still wet when he left.

That is three examples (and probably more remaining), Mr Walpers explanation is the widely accepted one because it appears in the Tech manual.
Whilst that doesn't make it canon it seems to be the most likely explanation, unless you would like to offer an alternative.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-08-28 11:00pm

Well, then why does Picard say nothing can leave it? What does tech manual say about it?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-08-28 11:19pm

Superman wrote:Well, then why does Picard say nothing can leave it? What does tech manual say about it?

Picard says an object on the holodeck has no real substance, since he is talking to Moriarty I don’t think it is a stretch to take his meaning that a non replicated item (such as Moriarty) cannot exist outside the holodeck.

I am not sure what determines what is and is not replicated but I think it is safe to say that food would be and characters wouldn't be.

The tech manual says some stuff is replicated and some is just force fields and photons.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-08-29 02:54am

Holodeck food is like Chinese; an hour later you're hungry again.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-08-29 11:32am

Superman wrote:Well, then why does Picard say nothing can leave it?

Dialogue is subjective and can be overridden by objective evidence. We've seen objects leave the holodeck on many occasions, we have a basic idea of how replicators work, and we know holodecks employ them. I fail to see the problem with my previous submitted explanation.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2004-08-29 12:00pm

Furthermore, I fail to see how holodeck technology is supposed to flavor a forcefield construct, so that's one more reason for the system to replicate anything that a visitor is going to eat or drink.

Animated objects (like characters) are consistently holographs, as are potentially dangerous objects like weapons. Harmless, inanimate objects will often be replicated, particularly if someone is expected to leave the holodeck with them.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2004-08-29 07:13pm

Picard was also trying to make a point to Moriarty, by stressing the futility of leaving he does that. He does not need to add pointless trivia about select objects leaving; Moriarty may be encouraged if he does not understand correctly.

About the mistake with the snow and the paper side story that was never finished, that is kinda cool, too bad they didn't follow up on those, it would make things more consistant (or at least correct the mistakes before they filmed the final cut).

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-08-29 11:35pm

Dialogue is subjective and can be overridden by objective evidence.

Translation: Star Trek continuity sucks.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-08-30 12:09am

Superman wrote: Translation: Star Trek continuity sucks.

Not on this issue, Picard's statement makes perfect sense when taken in context.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-08-30 12:25am

Not on this issue, Picard's statement makes perfect sense when taken in context.

Picard threw a book out of the holodeck, and it vanished. Why wasn't it just replicated then?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-08-30 12:30am

Superman wrote: Picard threw a book out of the holodeck, and it vanished. Why wasn't it just replicated then?

Actually he didn't, by that point he was on a holodeck within a holodeck however that doesn't matter all that much, as for what determines whether an object is replicated or not, who knows?
It doesn't actually contradict anything by having books fall in the non replicated section.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-08-30 12:33am

It doesn't actually contradict anything by having books fall in the non replicated section.

Can you tell me a time when a character went into the holodeck, created something and then brought it out? Picard threw that book out knowing full well it would vanish.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-08-30 12:37am

The tech manual says some stuff is replicated and some is just force fields and photons.

Which tech manual? That TNG manual came out well before Voyager coined the term "photons and forcefields," and I'm going to go find it because it plainly states that nothing can leave the holodeck.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-08-30 12:39am

Superman wrote: Can you tell me a time when a character went into the holodeck, created something and then brought it out? Picard threw that book out knowing full well it would vanish.

Water, paper and snowballs as already mentioned.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-08-30 12:40am

And when I read the TNG companion, it plainly stated that those were writing screw ups.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-08-30 12:41am

You say paper came out, then why did Picard's book vanish? These are continuity screw ups, nothing more.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-08-30 12:47am

Superman wrote: Which tech manual? That TNG manual came out well before Voyager coined the term "photons and forcefields,"

"Focused forcebeam imagery" amounts to the same.

I'm going to go find it because it plainly states that nothing can leave the holodeck.

Care to make a wager on it?

Page 156.

"Matter conversion subsystem creates physical props using replicators."

"Objects created on the Holodeck that are pure holographic images cannot be removed from the Holodeck, even if they appear to possess physical reality because of the focused forcebeam imagery. Objects created by replicator matter conversion do have physical reality and can indeed be removed from the Holodeck, even thought they will no longer be under computer control"

Happy now?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-08-30 12:48am

OK, but my point about shitty continuity still stands. Why did Picard throw that book out knowing full well it would vanish?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-08-30 12:51am

Superman wrote:And when I read the TNG companion, it plainly stated that those were writing screw ups.

That doesn't matter from an in universe standpoint and can easily be explained without resorting to ignoring suspension of belief.

You say paper came out, then why did Picard's book vanish? These are continuity screw ups, nothing more.

No just books in that program aren't replicated, no reason to see a continuity error there.

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