Strongest fed ship

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2004-08-11 09:48pm

We'll never know anything about the Norway. According to EAS, the original model was lost by ILM. Shame too, she looked like a fine starship.

Darth Phoenix · Post by **Darth Phoenix** » 2004-08-11 09:50pm

Alyeska wrote:Harry had an upgraded Nova class. Not the Norway class.

Ok thanks.
Did the Nova appeared in any other episodes or is it just a future ship?

Oh and in my opinion the strongest fed ship IMO are

Sovereign
Prometheus or Akira
Galaxy
Nebula
Defiant

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-08-11 09:52pm

Darth Phoenix wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Harry had an upgraded Nova class. Not the Norway class.
Ok thanks.
Did the Nova appeared in any other episodes or is it just a future ship?

Oh and in my opinion the strongest fed ship IMO are

Sovereign
Prometheus or Akira
Galaxy
Nebula
Defiant

And your opinion is wrong.

Taking into account combat capabilities the ranking is as follows.

Sovereign II
Prometheus II
Sovereign I
Prometheus I
Akira
Nebula (Torpedopod)
Galaxy II

The Nebula will always be better then the Galaxy.

Darth Phoenix · Post by **Darth Phoenix** » 2004-08-11 10:03pm

Alyeska wrote:snip

It is just my opinion it doesn't mean it is correct

My choise for putting the galaxy above the nebula is that while the Nebula has greater firepower with the war pod the war galaxy was more endurance(shields, hull) and greater phaser power.
The point is that the Galaxy class was greatly upgraded for the dominion war while the nebula didn't receive any upgrade besides the defense against the shield peircing effect of Dominon weapons.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-08-11 10:10pm

Darth Phoenix wrote:
Alyeska wrote:snip
It is just my opinion it doesn't mean it is correct

My choise for putting the galaxy above the nebula is that while the Nebula has greater firepower with the war pod the war galaxy was more endurance(shields, hull) and greater phaser power.
The point is that the Galaxy class was greatly upgraded for the dominion war while the nebula didn't receive any upgrade besides the defense against the shield peircing effect of Dominon weapons.

War Galaxy hull is only slightly improved and the Nebula has superior shields. The Nebula uses the same warpcore as the Galaxy. This means equal power to shields while having to shield a smaller surface area. Nebula is naturaly more heavily shielded.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2004-08-11 10:31pm

Darth Phoenix wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Harry had an upgraded Nova class. Not the Norway class.
Ok thanks.
Did the Nova appeared in any other episodes or is it just a future ship?

Oh and in my opinion the strongest fed ship IMO are

Sovereign
Prometheus or Akira
Galaxy
Nebula
Defiant

It appeared in Equinox parts 1&2.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-08-12 04:37pm

Aya wrote:We'll never know anything about the Norway. According to EAS, the original model was lost by ILM. Shame too, she looked like a fine starship.

Fuckin ILM... Just when I was thinking that it looked like Starfleet had gotten over its pacifist doctrine someone goes and loses the damn ships...
There must be dosens of pictures of it online, can't they just start over and get as closs as possible to the original? Just call it the "Finland" class or something so everyone knows that ILM screwed up the Norway.

Oh, and they gave Harry a Nova? Ha-ha!

You all know why that starship isn't popular in south america, right?

generator_g1 · Post by **generator_g1** » 2004-08-13 04:10am

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:
<snip>

You all know why that starship isn't popular in south america, right?

Nope, can you enlighten me?

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-08-13 04:40am

Darth Phoenix wrote:
Aya wrote:
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Allright. How do the ships from First Contact stack up with the rest? The Saber, Norway, Steamrunner, etc. all seemed to be combat vessels and very modern. Are they too small to be effective?
The Saber is very small and we haven't a clue about the Norway.
I don't remenber the name of the voyager episode but isn't the Normay the ship that future Kim was commanding when those two klingon ships attack future janeway shuttle?

It was the episode Endgame. Harry Kim was command a Nova class ship called the USS Rhode Island. The Klingons ships were Neghvars IIRC.

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2004-08-13 07:59am

generator_g1 wrote:
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:
<snip>

You all know why that starship isn't popular in south america, right?
Nope, can you enlighten me?

It's based on the fact that the Chevy Nova was spectacularly unsuccessful in the Spanish-speaking markets. That's of course because the word nova can be read (and heard) as Spanish for "doesn't move," a spectacularly bad name choice for a car. Similarly, IIRC, the initial Coca-Cola ploy for penetrating the Chinese market was to go phonetic in Mandarin, so that the characters chosen would sound as much as possible like Coca-Cola. Unfortunately, people were not prepared to go for the experience of chugging an ice cold bottle of sparkling brown Bite the Wax Tadpole.

The pitfalls of language...

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-08-13 08:43am

Oh, and they gave Harry a Nova? Ha-ha!

Its not ACTUALY a nova, its structualy somewhat different. Its clearly a derivitive though. The Nova was designed for short range scientific missions. Harry had just come back from a Deep Space mission.

Of course Warp Speeds appeared to keep on increasing aagin and again through the later part of DS9 and if All Good Things is any indication, they are increasing waaay up there.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2004-08-13 10:51am

Chris OFarrell wrote:
Oh, and they gave Harry a Nova? Ha-ha!
Its not ACTUALY a nova, its structualy somewhat different. Its clearly a derivitive though. The Nova was designed for short range scientific missions. Harry had just come back from a Deep Space mission.

Of course Warp Speeds appeared to keep on increasing aagin and again through the later part of DS9 and if All Good Things is any indication, they are increasing waaay up there.

I think the general concenus is that the Rhode Island was refitted version. SF probably decided to make these changes to boost her range and to depussify her. I'd imagine that by End Game's future, the Novas had replaced the Oberoth.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-08-13 11:51pm

generator_g1 wrote:
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:
<snip>

You all know why that starship isn't popular in south america, right?
Nope, can you enlighten me?

Because it no va. ("doesn't go" in Spanish)

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2004-08-15 11:25pm

It's based on the fact that the Chevy Nova was spectacularly unsuccessful in the Spanish-speaking markets.

False.

http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-08-15 11:29pm

Alyeska wrote:
Darth Phoenix wrote:
Alyeska wrote:snip
It is just my opinion it doesn't mean it is correct

My choise for putting the galaxy above the nebula is that while the Nebula has greater firepower with the war pod the war galaxy was more endurance(shields, hull) and greater phaser power.
The point is that the Galaxy class was greatly upgraded for the dominion war while the nebula didn't receive any upgrade besides the defense against the shield peircing effect of Dominon weapons.
War Galaxy hull is only slightly improved and the Nebula has superior shields. The Nebula uses the same warpcore as the Galaxy. This means equal power to shields while having to shield a smaller surface area. Nebula is naturaly more heavily shielded.

Your dissipation rate is proportional to your surface area, so you have the teo reversed dude. Galaxy will have better shields becasue it can reradiate the energy faster.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2004-08-15 11:31pm

Actually, Ender, it sounds like a smaller surface area would allow the Nebula to take stronger hits with less adverse "bleed-through", making it ideal for quick skirmishes. A higher dissipation rate would be ideal for drawn-out fleet matches, I should think.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-08-17 05:59pm

Are you sure you're not getting SF shields confused with Langston fields? I've never heard dissipation rates mentioned in any form of st, but it is crucial to the operation of a langston field.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-08-18 04:40am

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Are you sure you're not getting SF shields confused with Langston fields? I've never heard dissipation rates mentioned in any form of st, but it is crucial to the operation of a langston field.

In "Yesterday's Enterprise", Tasha Yar mentions that a Galaxy-class' deflector shield system had a much higher heat-dissipation rate than the ships of Lt. Castillo's day, enabling them to hang in a firefight for a longer period of time.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-08-18 12:42pm

in the next thread can we rank the strongest tanks made in New Zealand?

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-08-18 01:47pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:in the next thread can we rank the strongest tanks made in New Zealand?

There was only one tank made in new zealand right? During WWII? Didn't they use it to simply squish barbed wire defenses, since it was useless for anything else?

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2004-08-20 02:05pm

Aya wrote:defeat the Sphere Builders.

You mean "sphere" as in "Dyson sphere", don't you ?

EDIT : never mind, I've done a bit of search. How stupid of me.