Enterprise Season Premiere and some S4 info (SPOILERS)

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2004-07-18 03:00pm

Nazis?

"Ah, what shall we do today?"
"Oh, I dunno - let's bring in the Nazis."
"Nazis?"
"Yep, Nazis."
"But-"
"Don't point out that this has been overdone."
"But-"
"Don't point out that this was impossible for germany:"
"But-"
"Don't point out that Vorsk would be vivisected immediately after meeting with Hitler."
"But-"
"Don't point out that this idea is incredible lame, stupid, irrealistic and has nothing ot do with Trek at all. I don't care."
"But-"
"I won't get fired. I didn't get fired after Nemesis, I won't get fired now."

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-07-19 04:43pm

Being a Star Wars fan for 20+ years, I nevertheless enjoy some of Star Trek (well, more than some actually; TOS, ST movies 2 to 8, some of Voyager and a miniscule of TNG) and I must say that Enterprise is by far the best of the recent Star Trek series. While Swedish television only has showed the first two seasons yet, I think it's way better than that annoying TNG. This Nazi story arc seems a bit corny, but I would like to see some sort of resolution to the Temporal Cold War. Other things I also would like to see is the formation of the UFP and the Earth-Romulan war (although rumour has it that this will be in a separate non-Enterprise movie).

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2004-07-19 10:15pm

Wow. In response to the original post that is the most unoriginal piece of shit I have ever seen come from Trek.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-07-20 12:39am

The conversation that spawned it all:

Braga: I've got it!
Berman: Yeah? What's that?
Braga: Okay, when George Lucas wasn't working on Star Wars, what was he doing with his time?
Berman: I dunno. I've never read anything about him or anyone else who's ever exposed celluloid before in my life, and I'll be damned if I start now!
Braga: Well, I'm actually illiterate so I don't know for sure, but I think he was working on a little something called "Indiana Jones."
Berman: Oh, yeah, one of the greatest action heroes ever.
Braga: Right. Well, Archer's a great action hero, too. The only problem with Enterprise is that he doesn't have a villain. What better villains to fight than the ones Indiana Jones was up against?
Berman: You mean the Nazis?
Braga: Of course.
Berman: I don't know. It doesn't seem to be very Star Trekish.
Braga: How would you know? You ever watch TOS?
Berman: Touchee. Let's make 'em aliens, though.
Braga: Yeah. That'll make the perfect villains!

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2004-07-21 01:27am

You know, this plot actually makes me regret trying to save Enterprise from the UPN hammer.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-21 01:32am

Hardy wrote:You know, this plot actually makes me regret trying to save Enterprise from the UPN hammer.

It wasn't the show that needed saving, it was, as I've always maintained, the writing and production staff. I mean fx are at the top of their form, as always; it's just the stories that suck...

TrekWarsie · Post by **TrekWarsie** » 2004-07-21 12:39pm

The only way that this will be good is if it either ends, or brings about the beginning of the end of the Temporal Cold War. I am tired of having so many timeline interruptions here. B&B have also missed the ball with the Romulan Wars. Chronologically, the Romulan Wars occur right about now, a bit before the founding of the UFP. Granted, the inability of one side to see the face of the other can seem a bit daunting at first, a series of episodes on the Romulan Wars could be great. There are so many ways they could have done this. I just hope that they do go towards the Romulan Wars, and do it right. If they do, that might actually save the show. But if they do one thing wrong, that will be the nail in the coffin for Enterprise.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-22 11:39am

The TCW is going to end this season, according to Trektoday:

Brannon Braga Tuesday revealed the Temporal Cold War will be wrapped up in the two-part season premiere, "Storm Front".

"Our intention is to resolve the Temporal Cold War once and for all," Braga told StarTrek.com at UPN's party during the Television Critics Association press tour. "It lingered for three seasons, and we would like to finish it off in grandiose fashion, and move on to new territory."

The story arc has been a part of the series since the premiere, "Broken Bow", but took somewhat of a backseat during season three, which primarily dealt with the Xindi storyline. Braga said temporal agent Daniels and Silik the Suliban will return for what will "most likely" be their farewell appearances. "It's hard to say for sure, because we're so early in the season, but our intention is to be done with it."

But that doesn't mean the shadowy Humanoid Figure, nicknamed "Future Guy" by fans, will be around for the big finish. In fact, Braga doesn't even know if we'll ever find out who he was. "We have some ideas about him — or her — or it. But we haven't settled on any one identity yet. It's still a question mark. The Temporal Cold War may resolve without Future Guy's identity being revealed."

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-22 05:03pm

Good to know that they're going to kill what's probably one of the most non-existant story arcs I've ever heard of on television.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-07-22 08:48pm

They're not going to involve Future Guy in his own war? They don't even know who he is?

Even a small child would have more attention to detail and think up a better ending than these clowns have. How can they have this shadowy, nebulous villain threatening the crew for three years and then just pretend he doesn't exist?? This would be like Leaving Darth Vader out of Return of the Jedi! Morons...

It's time for Enterprise to die. I've read Political Science essays with more story and character development.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-22 09:58pm

More from the horse's ass:

Enterprise co-executive producer and showrunner Manny Coto Tuesday night revealed some of the stories he plans to tell this season.

One of the first arcs after the two-part premiere will revolve around an ancestor of Dr. Noonien Soong, played by Brent Spiner (Data). But fans shouldn't expect the new character, Arik Soong, to be anything like his Next Generation counterpart. "This character is more of a Dr. Frankenstein," Coto told StarTrek.com at UPN's fall preview party during the Television Critics Association press tour. "He is not a benign individual. He has brought to life 20 embryos from the Eugenics era. So you have Soong who's leading a band of Khan Noonien Singhs, so to speak. He believes that genetic engineering was on the right track!"

The storyline will span episodes four through six, perfectly timed to coincide with the crucial November sweeps ratings period. When these 20 genetically-engineered relics from the Eugenics era threaten to incite war with the Klingon Empire, Enterprise recruits Arik Soong to help Starfleet track down the renegades. Their pursuit leads them all the way to a never-before-seen part of space called the Borderland between the Klingon Empire and the Orion Syndicate.

"What I really wanted to do this season is make the episodes that I as a Star Trek fan would have to see," Coto said. "You know, as a fan of the original series, if I heard that they were doing the Orion slavers and the Eugenics Wars, I would have to be in front of that TV."

Later in season four, Coto said there will be a three-episode arc that will deal with a Vulcan civil war, a storyline that will explain the difference between the Enterprise Vulcans and those in later time periods. "Our Vulcans lie, our Vulcans are monolithic, our Vulcans are not pacifistic. What we've done is develop an idea: What if an individual appears on Vulcan who is saying to the populace that we have strayed from the teachings of Surak? This individual is like a Martin Luther. And he spawns a Vulcan civil war."

Coto plans to draw explicit parallels between the 16th century Reformation in Europe and the events happening on Vulcan. "I'm equating the Vulcan High Command with the Catholic Church, which in medieval times strayed from the teachings of Christianity; similarly, the Vulcan High Command has strayed from the teachings of Surak. This individual wants to bring us back to those teachings, but it causes instability on Vulcan because he's preaching pacifism, he's preaching pure logic, he's preaching a return to the old ways."

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-22 10:02pm

Once again, for me anyway, they have no idea what they're doing.

Eugenics Wars/Soon ancestor = NO.

Orion Syndicate = Interesting, but probably no; we already saw enough of it in DS9 and we saw its rise in the 4th Lost Era novel, Well of Souls.

Vulcan Civil War = Interesting. The sole problem of course is, if this is true, why come we've never heard of it on TOS/TNG-era (besides B/B being idiots). This does, however, bring up an interesting point. If the Vulcan government is in chaos, then, in theory, shouldn't a certain offshoot race/empire be interested in taking back their original planet, ala Unification? Hmm?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-07-22 11:59pm

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:They're not going to involve Future Guy in his own war? They don't even know who he is?

Even a small child would have more attention to detail and think up a better ending than these clowns have. How can they have this shadowy, nebulous villain threatening the crew for three years and then just pretend he doesn't exist?? This would be like Leaving Darth Vader out of Return of the Jedi! Morons...

Don't forget: they've been planning all of this from the start.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-07-23 12:04am

One of the first arcs after the two-part premiere will revolve around an ancestor of Dr. Noonien Soong, played by Brent Spiner (Data). But fans shouldn't expect the new character, Arik Soong, to be anything like his Next Generation counterpart. "This character is more of a Dr. Frankenstein," Coto told StarTrek.com at UPN's fall preview party during the Television Critics Association press tour.

You gotta be shitting me! This sounds UNBELIEVABLY stupid. These guys are just getting desperate.

"He is not a benign individual. He has brought to life 20 embryos from the Eugenics era. So you have Soong who's leading a band of Khan Noonien Singhs, so to speak. He believes that genetic engineering was on the right track!"

Gotta love the exclamation point. It's almost as if he thought this was gonna be good.

The storyline will span episodes four through six, perfectly timed to coincide with the crucial November sweeps ratings period.

Good to know they're pulling out all the stops, this time.

When these 20 genetically-engineered relics from the Eugenics era threaten to incite war with the Klingon Empire, Enterprise recruits Arik Soong to help Starfleet track down the renegades. Their pursuit leads them all the way to a never-before-seen part of space called the Borderland between the Klingon Empire and the Orion Syndicate.

Actually, that part sounds nominally cool. I just wish they would come up with a compelling reason to do it.

"What I really wanted to do this season is make the episodes that I as a Star Trek fan would have to see," Coto said. "You know, as a fan of the original series, if I heard that they were doing the Orion slavers and the Eugenics Wars, I would have to be in front of that TV."

Well... I guess it's better than bringing in the Ferengi.

Later in season four, Coto said there will be a three-episode arc that will deal with a Vulcan civil war, a storyline that will explain the difference between the Enterprise Vulcans and those in later time periods. "Our Vulcans lie, our Vulcans are monolithic, our Vulcans are not pacifistic. What we've done is develop an idea: What if an individual appears on Vulcan who is saying to the populace that we have strayed from the teachings of Surak? This individual is like a Martin Luther. And he spawns a Vulcan civil war."

"What if we come up with a nonsensical way of totally ignoring the intent of every other ST series short of Voyager?"

Coto plans to draw explicit parallels between the 16th century Reformation in Europe and the events happening on Vulcan. "I'm equating the Vulcan High Command with the Catholic Church, which in medieval times strayed from the teachings of Christianity; similarly, the Vulcan High Command has strayed from the teachings of Surak. This individual wants to bring us back to those teachings, but it causes instability on Vulcan because he's preaching pacifism, he's preaching pure logic, he's preaching a return to the old ways."

WHAT?

*looks at nail in coffin*

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2004-07-23 12:07am

JME2 wrote: *snippity

In fact, Braga doesn't even know if we'll ever find out who he was. "We have some ideas about him — or her — or it. But we haven't settled on any one identity yet. It's still a question mark. The Temporal Cold War may resolve without Future Guy's identity being revealed."

This remark confirms that B&B has lousy management of their writing staff. Looks like they don't even plan anything beforehand. Hell it looks like they plan 2 episodes before starting production on one.

What do they do during summer hiatus? I'd be at least writing down notes on how the TCW would end and locking down the plot before even begining production on the season. It doesn't seem to me that is the case here.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-07-23 12:18am

Wait a minute, wait a minute...Soong is in possession of the 20 Khans and thinks they're the coolest thing since sliced bread...then the Enterprise recruits him to help stop them?

WHISKEY

TANGO

FOXTROT

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-07-23 01:13am

Mr. Burns owns Paramount. And he's put up a plaque in B&B's office that says: "Don't forget, you're here forever"

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-23 01:43am

Stofsk wrote:Mr. Burns owns Paramount. And he's put up a plaque in B&B's office that says: "Don't forget, you're here forever"

Hehehe.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-07-23 03:22am

My ass hurts from reading all that, I´ve been anally raped and the new season hasn´t even STARTED yet.

Nazis in sci-fi/horror =

Alien nazis that fuck with Earth history so the Enterprise crew can save WWII Earth (and probably win the war, as well) =

Possibly no Future Guy at the end of "his/her/it"´s own conflict = *insert sweat-drop smiley here*

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-23 03:24am

God damnit.. I can write better than this shit and I suck. WTF?

Johonebesus · Post by **Johonebesus** » 2004-07-23 03:58am

You know, I am seriously beginning to wonder if B&B are doing this deliberately. I joked about it before, but Berman is an accomplished producer. He should know better than this. I really have a hard time believing they are actually so stupid that they think they are producing quality entertainment. I am starting to seriously consider the possibility that Berman wants Star Trek dead, because he's sick of it but can't get away from Paramount, or maybe because he resents being burdened with the custodianship of a sci-fi series that he probably first thought of as just another job.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-07-23 04:23am

Then why doesn´t he just hand it over to someone else? Is it the love of money that´s holding him back? How much does that guy make, anyway?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-07-23 04:24am

I just think he's your stereotypical TV executive who doesn't give a shit about it and is going through the motions.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-07-23 04:48am

I just read it and it sounds fucking retarded. We're finally hitting Voyager-retarded and it seems to be getting worse.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-23 10:54am

Superman wrote:I just read it and it sounds fucking retarded. We're finally hitting Voyager-retarded and it seems to be getting worse.

At the rate it's going, does anyone else think that ENT's 4th season may be its last?