Earth-Romulan Wars: The Movie?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-09 01:48am

From Trektoday:

Enterprise executive producer Brannon Braga reportedly told the Star Trek Communicator that the series may not be able to feature the Romulan Wars because of a possible clash with the upcoming movie.

"It's certainly one of the things that we've been discussing," Braga reportedly said. "But there's also a prequel feature in development regarding the Romulan Wars, so we might have to stay away from that." In the same magazine, franchise head honcho Rick Berman said Trek XI would be set before the time of Kirk, but would not be connected with Enterprise.

The first sighting of the Romulans came in the second-season episode, "Minefield", in which the NX-01 inadvertantly strayed into Romulan territory. According to established Star Trek lore, the Romulan Neutral Zone was established in 2160 after a long war between Earth and the Romulans. With "Zero Hour" taking place in 2154, the Romulan Wars could conceivably take place during Enterprise's run.

Braga also discussed the storylines in development for Enterprise's fourth season, including the return of the Temporal Cold War. "One thing we're discussing is possibly blowing the lid off the Temporal Cold War once and for all," he reportedly said. "That's probably something we'll do in this first storyline. I can't say that for sure, because we're just getting into it. But I'd really like to resolve that and put a cap on it. It would be a nice thing to do after three seasons of teasing it along."

The foundation of the Federation could also start to figure heavily in the series. "There are going to be some major interstellar events and conflicts happening that could involve the forming of the federation. We're going to see more of what's going on back at Earth. We might see something dealing with the Eugenics Wars."

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-09 01:49am

So:

ERWars on silver screen - Hmm. Interesting.

TCW Lid-Blowing - Finally; end this arc, please...

Eugenics Wars - NO! Not in this time period, you fools!

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-07-09 01:56am

Brannon Braga wrote:Braga also discussed the storylines in development for Enterprise's fourth season, including the return of the Temporal Cold War. "One thing we're discussing is possibly blowing the lid off the Temporal Cold War once and for all," he reportedly said. "That's probably something we'll do in this first storyline. I can't say that for sure, because we're just getting into it. But I'd really like to resolve that and put a cap on it. It would be a nice thing to do after three seasons of teasing it along."

Translation: "we had no fucking clue where we were going with the story, so now we're just going to try to shed this turkey as quickly as possible."

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-09 02:17am

You know, I've been saying for a while that a Stellar Cold War movie akin to Thirteen Days, both in story and in quality, would be a stunningly beautiful detour for standard Trek format. I think they should do that.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-07-09 02:39am

"But there's also a prequel feature in development regarding the Romulan Wars, so we might have to stay away from that."

ARARRRRHRHGHGHGHHHH

They're going to fuck it up.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-07-09 02:42am

Truly B&B have a brown thumb. I can't imagine anything good coming of this.

Wired_Grenadier · Post by **Wired_Grenadier** » 2004-07-09 04:57am

Indeed. I mean, DS9 hardly came to a conclusion of the war in what? 2 and a half seasons? And then they want to pull this of in a 90 minutes movie? My god...

As for the Thirteen Days proposal: I'd support that, but what actors and what storyline would you take? And more important what director and producers? Because as we saw with Nemesis, even big money doesn't equal a good movie.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-09 10:37am

Their is an advantage in all of this. If this film comes to pass and if it bombs, then perhaps Paramount will finally listen to the fans and give B/B the boot.

Or ENT may go bye-bye after this season.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-07-09 11:14am

I give rumors of this supposed Romulan Wars movie the same credence that I give the "Starfleet Academy" idea thats been floating around for 2 decades. Besides how broad of an audience appeal are you going to get for a Star Trek movie that:

A) Does not have any recognizable cast from any of the TV shows

B) Deals with a topic known only to the most dedicated fans

C) And tries to deal with an interstellar war in a single hour and a half movie.

Yeah, keep wanking to this idea because its never going to happen.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-09 11:15am

Stravo wrote:Yeah, keep wanking to this idea because its never going to happen.

With the idiots-that-be, it may alas come to be...

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-07-09 12:38pm

Hmm....now they're concerned with consistency? Interesting.

Not.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-07-10 02:03am

JME2 wrote:Their is an advantage in all of this. If this film comes to pass and if it bombs, then perhaps Paramount will finally listen to the fans and give B/B the boot.

Or ENT may go bye-bye after this season.

That may not happen. B & B are well secured at Paramount. Even after Nemesis failed they were not fired.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-07-10 02:20am

The movie idea is retarded. If true, I predict it to be five times the turkey the "Nemesis" was. After all, you're looking at high prices for all the pretty explosions that will take up 30% of the film by volume, you'll have no characters, and the movie's premise will only make sense to hardcore Trek fans who will simultaneously be pissed by the fact that technology that the two sides aren't supposed to have is being used, already.

I'd love to see how they show the treaty being communicated by radio, though, even though that would probably be changed.

Coalition · Post by **Coalition** » 2004-07-11 05:06am

Indeed. I mean, DS9 hardly came to a conclusion of the war in what? 2 and a half seasons? And then they want to pull this of in a 90 minutes movie? My god...

B5 "The Gathering". Earth-Minbari war in ~90 minutes.

So it is possible, but you need a good writer.

Nah, never going to happen.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-11 06:34am

Coalition wrote:
Indeed. I mean, DS9 hardly came to a conclusion of the war in what? 2 and a half seasons? And then they want to pull this of in a 90 minutes movie? My god...
B5 "The Gathering". Earth-Minbari war in ~90 minutes.

So it is possible, but you need a good writer.

Nah, never going to happen.

The Earth-Minbari war was in movie "In the beginning" and I dout that B&B could pull it of nearly as well as B5 staff did.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-07-11 06:24pm

Personally, I don't think "In The Beginning" would work well as a standalone feature film.

Wired_Grenadier · Post by **Wired_Grenadier** » 2004-07-12 06:22pm

The movie only made sense in the context of the series.

TrekWarsie · Post by **TrekWarsie** » 2004-07-13 03:19pm

Yes, and Earth was getting curbstomped by the Minbari. One can only show so much of one race getting curbstomped time and time again in a single movie. From what I heard, the Earth/Romulan war was pretty even with Earth winning a decisive battle at the end of the war and then the neutral zone being created. It's possible that this could be done, but it would be extremely difficult.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-07-14 06:44am

From what I have heard and what I can remember from what people have been said from time to time is:

E-R war was fought with nuclear weapons and lasers
The war lasted for 1-2 years?
In TNG Defector one Romulan admiral was behind a great massacre of Earth outposts (which might have triggered the war) or if it was during the war, who knows
Federation was created AFTER the war, with the Vulcans, Andorians and Earth as the primary core worlds.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-07-14 08:36am

Dark Primus wrote:From what I have heard and what I can remember from what people have been said from time to time is:

E-R war was fought with nuclear weapons and lasers

The quote from Spock's briefing to the crew:

The war was fought, by our standards, in primitive space vessels, with atomic weapons; which allowed no quarter. Nor was there even ship-to-ship visual communication. Therefore, no human, Romulan, or ally, has ever seen the other.

The war lasted for 1-2 years?

There is no actual canon figure given for the duration of the war. However, going by James Blish's script adaptation for the Star Trek novelisation series, Paul Schneider's original draft for the episode indicated a war which lasted 25 years before a ceasefire was finally negotiated by subspace radio.

In TNG Defector one Romulan admiral was behind a great massacre of Earth outposts (which might have triggered the war) or if it was during the war, who knows

Alidar Jharok's actions in the Norplon Massacre appear to occur in a later Federation/Romulan conflict occuring sometime between the time of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country and TNG rather than the Earth/Romulan War.

Federation was created AFTER the war, with the Vulcans, Andorians and Earth as the primary core worlds.

Going by the references in "Balance Of Terror", correct.

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