Canon status of the Star Trek Experience?

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-06-21 02:58am

Superman wrote:Spanky, do you know how large 1/4 of the entire galaxy actually is? And one TINY ship encounteres the ONLY two Ferengi, the ONLY pick up truck, and even the Borg home space. I can maybe forgive finding Borg space but the others? The universe is fucking three dimenstional! For fuck's sake, Voyager is literally a needle in a galactic haystack and they seemed to have encountered EVERY fucking thing from the alpha quadrant there.

While I agree that Voyager's exploits are far-fetched to say the least, I see no evidence that there are not other Ferengi or pickups in the Delta Quadrant.

hvb · Post by **hvb** » 2004-06-21 07:26am

That doesn't make the coincidence less extreme:

VOY still manages to stumble onto exactly the only such Ferengi-crewed shuttle ever seen in a DS9 episode as ending up in the Delta Quadrant.
That's still finding that one specific needle in a stack of hay, even if it contains other random needles. Trek scriptwrites have made a joke of themselves ... as usual.

(of course a certain desert planet not to be mentioned here has a similar problem in another universe...)

The Third Man · Post by **The Third Man** » 2004-06-21 07:30am

These encounters would not be by purely random chance, as the Voyager crew actively sought out wormholes, "anomolies" and stuff associated with the AQ in the hope of finding a shortcut home. Admittedly this shortens the odds only slightly in comparison to the vastness of the galaxy, unless there was a lot of on-going detective/research work being done by the crew that we don't see.

hvb · Post by **hvb** » 2004-06-21 08:32am

Well yes ...
but subspace radio is only effective over 22.65ly if they don't have relays in place.
So their subspace sensors must operate under similar (although not nessesarily identical) limitations of range; and the DQ is not seeded with Federation relay buoys.

In other words they can only detect phenomena that are non-detectable to modern day science in a ~22.65ly radius cylinder as they travel through space. Multiply by the length of the trip home and then divide by the volume of the milkyway/4:
They have but three chances to find those Ferengi in there: Fat and slim, and overstreached dramatic licence.

Aside from that, the wormhole shifted out of alignment years ago, just seconds after the Ferengi arrived, so it could not be use as a guiding beacon to home the Voyager in on their location.

The Third Man · Post by **The Third Man** » 2004-06-21 08:53am

I used that very calc ages ago to answer some ASVS hypothetical about the number of Borg cubes or something, and you're quite correct. However in this case I considered the possibility that Voyager may have access to local intelligence/records/gossip which could guide them to anomalies and such (hence my comment about "detective/research work"). I think I'm over-analyzing now, so I'll shut up.