JMS to save Trek?

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2004-06-19 06:08pm

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Sounds too good to be true... But I hope it is.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2004-06-19 06:26pm

You have to be f-ing kidding me. JMS with Trek? That's like asking a top-notch neuro-surgeon to save a man whose been dead for 10 years.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-06-19 06:47pm

Funny, but in the preceding paragraph of the post he actually said he turned down an offer to work on Enterprise. So unless they pick up his idea I don't at all see him going to work from Trek, and escpecially not in the constricted environment of 'Tard Trek as it is today.

If they actually picked up his series, I could imagine him going. But not otherwise.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-06-19 08:01pm

Oh god please let it be so. With JMS as the helm this franchise might actually have some hope.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-06-19 10:41pm

Stormbringer wrote:Funny, but in the preceding paragraph of the post he actually said he turned down an offer to work on Enterprise. So unless they pick up his idea I don't at all see him going to work from Trek, and escpecially not in the constricted environment of 'Tard Trek as it is today.

If they actually picked up his series, I could imagine him going. But not otherwise.

Agreed, I think he'd want total creative control. But seeing as how Trek continuity is being shit on anyways and the fact that Trek is pretty much dead now, perhaps Paramount would be willing to flush everything and try a reimagining of Trek care of JMS.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-06-19 11:07pm

The Kernel wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Funny, but in the preceding paragraph of the post he actually said he turned down an offer to work on Enterprise. So unless they pick up his idea I don't at all see him going to work from Trek, and escpecially not in the constricted environment of 'Tard Trek as it is today.

If they actually picked up his series, I could imagine him going. But not otherwise.
Agreed, I think he'd want total creative control. But seeing as how Trek continuity is being shit on anyways and the fact that Trek is pretty much dead now, perhaps Paramount would be willing to flush everything and try a reimagining of Trek care of JMS.

I think that's exactly why he'd turn it down. JMS is apparently a fan of the older Trek, and TOS in particular, but I know he's got the same gripes with it as us. And he's just not the kind of guy to do crappy work simply to work and Paramount (or perhaps B&B) don't seem to want to let anyone have total control.

Frankly, given that Beavis and Butthead have departed and their replacement is simply one of their minions, I don't see Paramount giving any one that kind of control. I hope Manny Coto can pull it off, but I'm not at all hopeful.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-06-19 11:36pm

Beavis and Butthead have departed?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-06-19 11:50pm

Vympel wrote:Beavis and Butthead have departed?

Aparently so

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2004-06-20 12:36am

I'm going to agree with Defiant on this one. What Berman and Braga did to the Star trek Franchise is beyond repair. I don't think that even Gene Roddenbury himself (if he were still alive) would be able to save star trek from falling into the laughingstock of Scifi. With the abomination that was Voyager and the mediocrity that is Enterprise, it will take acouple miracles of biblical proportions to bring back Trek to a respectful level of entertainment. JMS would be better off doing another B5 series and not tying his name in with a dieing franchise.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-06-20 02:10am

Very interesting. The only way to save Trek is to screw Enterprise completely. Have the entire storyline wiped out by a time-storm, until the "real" timeline is revealed with pre- Enterprise designs from the 60's! Then, it could move forward to 10 years after Nemesis and do some stories there.

Maybe have a SMART Klingon captain, not one that screams, and eats with his hands, etc. Then completely ignore ANYTHING about the Borg.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2004-06-20 02:18am

I dont think Trek is dead, but it does need a LONG vacation. JMS could revive the franchise, provided he is given complete control over it, and time to do a decent job. He spent years developing Babylon 5, and if he puts the same effort and attention to detail that he had with Babylon 5, then Trek could be on-top again.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-06-20 03:16am

It would be great to see JMS take charge of Star Trek. He could restore the Star Trek franchise to it's former glory. However it is unlikely that is going to happen. B & B wont give up their posts.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-06-20 03:43am

They should give it at least a ten year rest...then see if JMS can do anything to help it.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-06-20 01:08pm

I'm glad to see that Brannon and Braga is leaving. I think that JMS could save Trek, but we'll see. It's encouraging that Paramount acknowledges that there are problems.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-06-20 01:12pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:They should give it at least a ten year rest...then see if JMS can do anything to help it.

I think ten years is a bit extreme.....

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-06-20 01:13pm

EmperorSolo51 wrote:I'm going to agree with Defiant on this one. What Berman and Braga did to the Star trek Franchise is beyond repair. I don't think that even Gene Roddenbury himself (if he were still alive) would be able to save star trek from falling into the laughingstock of Scifi. With the abomination that was Voyager and the mediocrity that is Enterprise, it will take acouple miracles of biblical proportions to bring back Trek to a respectful level of entertainment. JMS would be better off doing another B5 series and not tying his name in with a dieing franchise.

So you mean simply writing quality episodes won't bring it back?

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-06-20 01:27pm

If Manny Coto manages to increase the ratings and Enterprise survives making it last longer without B&B influence, then maybe Paramount might give JMS a chance for his idea, hopefully so.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-06-20 01:31pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:They should give it at least a ten year rest...then see if JMS can do anything to help it.
I think ten years is a bit extreme.....

I don't think so at all. I think it's exactly what Star Trek needs and deserves.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-06-20 02:03pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
EmperorSolo51 wrote:I'm going to agree with Defiant on this one. What Berman and Braga did to the Star trek Franchise is beyond repair. I don't think that even Gene Roddenbury himself (if he were still alive) would be able to save star trek from falling into the laughingstock of Scifi. With the abomination that was Voyager and the mediocrity that is Enterprise, it will take acouple miracles of biblical proportions to bring back Trek to a respectful level of entertainment. JMS would be better off doing another B5 series and not tying his name in with a dieing franchise.
So you mean simply writing quality episodes won't bring it back?

At this point it could be argued that the quality of Trek has been so low for so long that the fans won't come back no matter how good it might suddenly become. The fan base and the general public both are very jaded by now.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-06-20 02:05pm

RedImperator wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
EmperorSolo51 wrote:I'm going to agree with Defiant on this one. What Berman and Braga did to the Star trek Franchise is beyond repair. I don't think that even Gene Roddenbury himself (if he were still alive) would be able to save star trek from falling into the laughingstock of Scifi. With the abomination that was Voyager and the mediocrity that is Enterprise, it will take acouple miracles of biblical proportions to bring back Trek to a respectful level of entertainment. JMS would be better off doing another B5 series and not tying his name in with a dieing franchise.
So you mean simply writing quality episodes won't bring it back?
At this point it could be argued that the quality of Trek has been so low for so long that the fans won't come back no matter how good it might suddenly become. The fan base and the general public both are very jaded by now.

Well, I guess I'm not like that because to me that's just silly. A good TV series is a good TV series no matter how crappy it use to be.

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2004-06-20 02:12pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote: So you mean simply writing quality episodes won't bring it back?

I'm saying that the quality has been so poor that the fanbase has been driven completely away. I don't think that good writing would bring back Trek back to the TNG era fanbase and popularity.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-06-20 02:34pm

EmperorSolo51 wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote: So you mean simply writing quality episodes won't bring it back?
I'm saying that the quality has been so poor that the fanbase has been driven completely away. I don't think that good writing would bring back Trek back to the TNG era fanbase and popularity.

I know what you're saying. I hardly ever watched Enterprise nor did I watch Voyager, however, if a new TV series was launched I'd check it out.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-06-20 02:51pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
RedImperator wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote: So you mean simply writing quality episodes won't bring it back?
At this point it could be argued that the quality of Trek has been so low for so long that the fans won't come back no matter how good it might suddenly become. The fan base and the general public both are very jaded by now.
Well, I guess I'm not like that because to me that's just silly. A good TV series is a good TV series no matter how crappy it use to be.

Suppose you started hearing that "The Simple Life 2" is the best TV show since M.A.S.H.? Would you give it a chance or blow it off because of how bad the original was? The same goes for regular TV watchers who might have tuned into TNG but have been jaded by VOY and ENT. The next Trek series mgiht be the best since TOS, but after a decade of crap, how many are going to take a risk on Trek with all the other things they could be watching?

You're not looking at Trek the way most of the rest of the public is because you're a longtime fan, but as I've mentioned in other threads, longtime hardcore fans don't keep series on the air--casual fans drawn from the general TV watching population do.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-06-20 03:05pm

Okay, I concede.

I guess I was more talking to the people on this board than the casual viewer. Unless most of the people on this STvs.SW board are casual ST viewers, I guess I could have made that mistake.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-06-20 04:46pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:They should give it at least a ten year rest...then see if JMS can do anything to help it.
I think ten years is a bit extreme.....

there was at least ten years between the end of ToS and the beginning of TNG. when TNG came out fans were practically screaming for it. ten years might do it some good.