VOY "Endgame" question

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2004-05-18 05:58am

Did the upgraded Voyager in "Endgame" used shields during the battle with the Borg, and if yes, how long did they last ? Did the Borg try to beam aboard Voyager ?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-05-18 06:35am

They may well have done, but they didn't have futurey shields.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-05-18 10:22am

NecronLord wrote:They may well have done, but they didn't have futurey shields.

Yes, rather they had only the ablative armor - which proved pretty useless once the Queen assimilated future Janeway.

Let's ask Rob Walpher's opinion on the matter.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-05-18 11:55am

JME2 wrote:
NecronLord wrote:They may well have done, but they didn't have futurey shields.
Yes, rather they had only the ablative armor - which proved pretty useless once the Queen assimilated future Janeway.

the stupidity overload from assimilating janeway's 'brain' must have proven too much of a shock to the collective.

DaveJB · Post by **DaveJB** » 2004-05-18 12:34pm

Darth_Zod wrote: the stupidity overload from assimilating janeway's 'brain' must have proven too much of a shock to the collective.

Either that, or the stupidity of the fact that they'd assimilated someone who logically should not exist (as a result of Voyager getting back before it should have) crippled them.

1337n1nj4 · Post by **1337n1nj4** » 2004-05-18 06:27pm

Endgame raised more fucking questions than it answered.

-Did the Queen actually get any of that knowledge from Janeway? I saw the episode once and not since it originally aired, but from what I remember, she didn't get anything from it before the virus-thingy wrecked her shit. IIRC, the transphasic torpedoes were still able to fubar the Borg ships, and the armor only collapsed because it reached it's limit.

-Just what became of the Borg? So the Unimatrix got slagged, the Queen got slagged, and at least one of the transwarp hubs got slagged. Big deal, the Queen dies everytime she shows up. Are the Borg gone or just crippled?

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-05-18 08:40pm

1337n1nj4 wrote:-Just what became of the Borg? So the Unimatrix got slagged, the Queen got slagged, and at least one of the transwarp hubs got slagged. Big deal, the Queen dies everytime she shows up. Are the Borg gone or just crippled?

I think the virus was supposed to cripple the whole collective. As per the Sphere exploding with Voyager in it.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-05-18 08:46pm

We know the virus infected a significant portion of the collective, but we don't know how large. The Borg could have taken a serious but survivable blow, or they could be on deaths doorstep.

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2004-05-19 12:02am

Here watch this documentry on the borg, the third part actually talks abit about End game and the "possible"status of the collective.
Borg Documentry

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-05-19 12:48am

The Nomad wrote:Did the upgraded Voyager in "Endgame" used shields during the battle with the Borg, and if yes, how long did they last ? Voyager ?

Voyger used future armour rather than shields against the Borg.

Did the Borg try to beam aboard

No.

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2004-05-19 03:20pm

Gandalf wrote: I think the virus was supposed to cripple the whole collective. As per the Sphere exploding with Voyager in it.

Don't forget the torpedoes VGR fired while she was caught inside the sphere!

Hades · Post by **Hades** » 2004-05-30 02:00pm

I think they left the fate of the borg delibritly open so that they could, if they chose to bring them bck in future series without conflicting with continuity.

apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2004-05-30 05:48pm

IIRC (it's been a while since I've seen the ep) shields are not compatable with the armor, AFAIK it's one or the other. And as far as the Borg trying to beam aboard, I don't remember it happening. It could be the armor fubars a transport lock, but that's just speculation on my part.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-05-30 08:01pm

That would not be without precident.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-05-31 12:08am

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0356069/

Special genes that make a person immune to assimilation ? This is stupid.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2004-06-01 04:21pm

evilcat4000 wrote:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0356069/

Special genes that make a person immune to assimilation ? This is stupid.

Nope. It only needs to boost their immune system enough to give the nanoprobes trouble. Denobulans can hold out for a good deal longer than it would take to assimilate a human for that very reason.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2004-06-01 09:09pm

The tech was on even shuttles in the future. If it didn't have some sort of transporter shielding(probably against more advanced transportation) it would be very useful. The metal couldn't have been of anything hard to obtain since the crew was able to fit voyager with a set in a relatively short time frame, maybe theres some sort of energy field around it or through it that doesn't block shots, but prevents transportation.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-06-02 02:33am

Matt Huang wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0356069/

Special genes that make a person immune to assimilation ? This is stupid.
Nope. It only needs to boost their immune system enough to give the nanoprobes trouble. Denobulans can hold out for a good deal longer than it would take to assimilate a human for that very reason.

Perhaps the Borg nanoprobes have problem against cells with longer DNA. The Species 8472 DNA was 100 times longer than humans and the Borg could not assimilate it.

Son of the Suns · Post by **Son of the Suns** » 2004-06-02 08:36pm

evilcat4000 wrote:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0356069/

Special genes that make a person immune to assimilation ? This is stupid.

Agreed, unless it means that their bodies produce antibodies designed to counteract nanomachines.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-06-02 08:48pm

Son of the Suns wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0356069/

Special genes that make a person immune to assimilation ? This is stupid.

Agreed, unless it means that their bodies produce antibodies designed to counteract nanomachines.

In the sick, dull, unimaginitive mind of Rick Berman - given that he was a writer on the idea - it does make sense.

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2004-06-04 10:03pm

Anarchist Bunny wrote:The tech was on even shuttles in the future. If it didn't have some sort of transporter shielding(probably against more advanced transportation) it would be very useful. The metal couldn't have been of anything hard to obtain since the crew was able to fit voyager with a set in a relatively short time frame, maybe theres some sort of energy field around it or through it that doesn't block shots, but prevents transportation.

Well, it's possible that the armor uses some new kind of replicator. If it were the TNG-era sort, the armor would have to be made of whatever metal the ship is carrying (obviously nothing they normally have would work). And they'd have to be carrying a shitload of it to cover the hull.

But all sorts of things block transporters. Including sufficiently strong magnetic fields (ST6). I find it laughable that so many people can beam onto Trek ships simply by defeating the shields.

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