What if the Borg finished Their beacon in FC?

[Robert Walper]

voyager wound up making the borg even more stupid.

Where?

actually i was referring to the series itself seeming to dumb them down from how they were presented in TNG.

Can't say I saw it. If anything, the Borg were made more powerful and impressive in Voyager.

[Tribun]

Just a nitpick, people screaming "The borg are stupid..they could've researched!" How likely are you to research some bio material when your ship is falling apart around you? The borg for the most part were regenerating their ships because they were blown to pieces.

Actually, given the extent of the damage of the Borg ships(fragmented), even I'd hesitate to suggest they could have repaired them. Most of the Borg were malfunctioning anyhow.

What most people don't seem to realize is that the Borg did not have the time or bio material to work with in a controlled enviroment. Just where are they going to get the bio material from? Just one relatively tiny bioship can obliterate a fleet of fifteen of their top end vessels, and Species 8472 members were actively shown going around killing Borg drones with ease.

That reminds me that the first 8472 they encounter in the Borg fragment was only there to hunt drones for fun while his ship repaired itself.

I think this shows the Borg' problems.....

[Robert Walper]

That reminds me that the first 8472 they encounter in the Borg fragment was only there to hunt drones for fun while his ship repaired itself.

And your reason for claiming the Species 8472 pilot was only there to hunt them for "fun"? Wouldn't it make more sense that the pilot was there to ensure there were no survivors?

I think this shows the Borg' problems.....

Well, we can agree that Species 8472 was cetainly making an effort to kill all potential Borg survivors. Just another reason why the Borg had no way to research and devolope a countermeasure like the Doctor did.

[MrAnderson]

That reminds me that the first 8472 they encounter in the Borg fragment was only there to hunt drones for fun while his ship repaired itself.

And your reason for claiming the Species 8472 pilot was only there to hunt them for "fun"? Wouldn't it make more sense that the pilot was there to ensure there were no survivors?

I think this shows the Borg' problems.....

Well, we can agree that Species 8472 was cetainly making an effort to kill all potential Borg survivors. Just another reason why the Borg had no way to research and devolope a countermeasure like the Doctor did.

If the alien truly wanted to be as efficient as possible killign all drones then he would have been in his ship doign anything possible to make the repairs go as fast as possible so that he could then turn around and blast the last bits of borg ship into cinders.

Instead he was galavanting around the remains of the borg cube like a little kid playing Doom on God mode.

[Sarevok]

Also a Borg cube is about 27 cubic kilometers in volume. That alien would need years to cover the entire cube and kill all the survivors.

[Robert Walper]

Also a Borg cube is about 27 cubic kilometers in volume. That alien would need years to cover the entire cube and kill all the survivors.

The cube was blown into vastly smaller fragments. Undoubtedly large portions of the existing ship were rendered completely lifeless by the resulting explosions during the cube's destruction. Borg cubes are mostly empty space to boot. All the pilot need do was track down and kill what few survivors there were.

[Major Diarrhia]

Also a Borg cube is about 27 cubic kilometers in volume. That alien would need years to cover the entire cube and kill all the survivors.

The cube was blown into vastly smaller fragments. Undoubtedly large portions of the existing ship were rendered completely lifeless by the resulting explosions during the cube's destruction. Borg cubes are mostly empty space to boot. All the pilot need do was track down and kill what few survivors there were.

Don't Borg drones have a unique life sign from the everage humaniod?

[Robert Walper]

Also a Borg cube is about 27 cubic kilometers in volume. That alien would need years to cover the entire cube and kill all the survivors.

The cube was blown into vastly smaller fragments. Undoubtedly large portions of the existing ship were rendered completely lifeless by the resulting explosions during the cube's destruction. Borg cubes are mostly empty space to boot. All the pilot need do was track down and kill what few survivors there were.

Don't Borg drones have a unique life sign from the everage humaniod?

Presumably so. The Enterprise D did not detect any "lifeforms" aboard the cube in system J-25 from STTNG "Q, Who?", though afterwards in STTNG "Best of Both Worlds" they apparently could. This seems to be a contradiction from STVOY "Dark Frontier" where the Hansen's research vessel was able to immediately idenfity one hundred twenty nine thousand Borg drones aboard the first Borg vessel they came across. I suspect it was merely a matter of adjusting sensors to identify cybernetic lifeforms.

[Major Diarrhia]

Don't Borg drones have a unique life sign from the everage humaniod?

Presumably so. The Enterprise D did not detect any "lifeforms" aboard the cube in system J-25 from STTNG "Q, Who?", though afterwards in STTNG "Best of Both Worlds" they apparently could. This seems to be a contradiction from STVOY "Dark Frontier" where the Hansen's research vessel was able to immediately idenfity one hundred twenty nine thousand Borg drones aboard the first Borg vessel they came across. I suspect it was merely a matter of adjusting sensors to identify cybernetic lifeforms.

It must be that drones create very little organicaly generated life signs, I've always thought of them as mostly dead to some extent. Perpetual life support.

[Sarevok]

Borg drones are zombies.

[Major Diarrhia]

Borg drones are zombies.

Well, yeah, that's exactly what they are. "More brains for the Collective."

[Robert Walper]

Borg drones are zombies.

Actually, if one describes zombie's as "raised from the dead", then frankly we've seen multiple examples of Borg that could easily be labelled so. In STVOY "Unity", we see an entire Borg crew that had been preserved "dead" in vacuum for years reanimate and come back to life. In ENT "Regeneration", we see two Borg corpses also reanimated by Borg nanoprobes, and they go about assimilating the resident scientists and ship.

Technically, you could also label Neelix a zombie, since in STVOY "Mortal Coil", Seven of Nine used Borg nanoprobes to bring him back to life.

Just another reason the Borg kick ass. Not only do they outnumber you and add your numbers to theirs, but if you think you've killed a bunch, you might need to think again.

[Shrykull]

I recently wathced ENT's "Regneration"and was thinking about the supspace message at the end, it was said it would take aroun two (or was it three?) hundred years until it got there so the borg would arrive a Picard's time.
(I think "regeneration" was some quite giid ret-coning myself, although it doesn'r explain my data did'nt rcognise to drones when he saw them in "q who" it does explian why the Hansens whent out to find them in the delta quad before picards "1st contact with the borg")

Anyhoo as i was saying:What if Picard and co were a little slower in getting the beacon offline and the borg got the message (say FC stays the same as it did but the beacon was on for a few minutes before Worf's "assimilate this" line) This would mean the message was sebt offf about 80 years before ENT, and the borg would arrive about 80 years before "Q Who" which is about the time of the TOS moives isn't it? Or at least at the time of the E-B, so who would this early federation fare against a cube?

Sifting very carefully through that tortured mess some might dubiously call an opening post, I gathered your question is "How would the Kirk/Enterprise-B era deal with a Borg assault like the one from 'Best of Both Worlds' ".

The answer seems simple enough. The Federation would be assimilated. There is no Commander Data and Locutus interface to save them, although the idea of a "I am Tiberious of Borg" sounds rather interesting.

Maybe they might not need Locutus to win, remember in parrallels where we see an alternate universe where Picard was killed by the Borg, could have been before data used him to hack into the collective.

[Ghost Rider]

Thank you for thread necromancy.