Enterprise-J *spoilers*

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-04-04 07:22am

Good to see that Trek ship designers are continuing in their efforts to get the maximum surface area:volume ratios possible out of every pixel.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-04 07:33am

Each new iteration of Trek ship looks less physical, and more like the CGI creation of some braindead idiot who has no concept whatsoever of structural design. They're not even hiding it any more; the latest ship looks like some cheap-ass fanboy CGI rendering where they forgot to add finishing detail.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-04-04 08:58am

Darth Wong wrote:Each new iteration of Trek ship looks less physical, and more like the CGI creation of some braindead idiot who has no concept whatsoever of structural design. They're not even hiding it any more; the latest ship looks like some cheap-ass fanboy CGI rendering where they forgot to add finishing detail.

I'm curious. From an Engineering perspective, how would you rate the following UFP ships general design?

Constitution.

Miranda.

Excelessor.

Galaxy.

Nebula.

Sovereign.

Defiant.

Intrepid.

NX.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2004-04-04 11:07am

And Mike was hung upside down by his toes today and pummeled by sacks of hagis, after he gave the Connie a poor engineering rating.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2004-04-04 12:24pm

Prometheus could have been like the Excelsior, a good enough design that didn't need improvement on for a long period of relative peace. Or just a relic that never got decomissioned, like the Connie that was slagged at W349.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2004-04-04 12:53pm

anarchistbunny wrote:Prometheus could have been like the Excelsior, a good enough design that didn't need improvement on for a long period of relative peace. Or just a relic that never got decomissioned, like the Connie that was slagged at W349.

359.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-04-04 03:46pm

Uraniun235 wrote: Maybe (maybe), but it's a damn shame that only First Contact came close to properly conveying the starship's size and majesty. I simply don't get that effect with either of the other two Ent-E films.

Interestingly, FC is also the only one that used a physical model of the E-E. Insurrection and Nemesis used CGI.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-04-04 07:06pm

Ent J? I'd say something, but Vympel

Vympel wrote:Fuck their Enterprise J and every other letter in the alphabet. I've said it before, but this is their fucking prequel. Time travel, the same old shit we've seen a million times, and an Enterprise from the future. They should just go fuck themselves, the no talent hack cunts.

Pisses me off.

and Mike

Darth Wong wrote:Each new iteration of Trek ship looks less physical, and more like the CGI creation of some braindead idiot who has no concept whatsoever of structural design. They're not even hiding it any more; the latest ship looks like some cheap-ass fanboy CGI rendering where they forgot to add finishing detail.

completely stole my thunder.

May I suggest an alternative?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-04-05 01:30am

I prefer the Starfleet Museum, personally.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-04-05 01:40am

Howedar wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote: Maybe (maybe), but it's a damn shame that only First Contact came close to properly conveying the starship's size and majesty. I simply don't get that effect with either of the other two Ent-E films.
Interestingly, FC is also the only one that used a physical model of the E-E. Insurrection and Nemesis used CGI.

Not quite. The majority of the shots involving the Ent-E were of the physical model. The CGI was built for the rescue of Picard aboard the Son'a station.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-04-05 07:24pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I prefer the Starfleet Museum, personally.

I like the SFM too. I think the next Trek producer should canonize it and declare ENT to be an 'Infinities' storyline...

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-04-06 12:38am

Howedar wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote: Maybe (maybe), but it's a damn shame that only First Contact came close to properly conveying the starship's size and majesty. I simply don't get that effect with either of the other two Ent-E films.
Interestingly, FC is also the only one that used a physical model of the E-E. Insurrection and Nemesis used CGI.

Insurrection ship SFX was horrible. It looked like a computer game ship. Infact on a high end machine Bridgecommander produces better renderings of the Sovergein than ithe Insurrection Enteterprise.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-04-06 11:35am

Jesus Christ, another time travel plot-line? I don't even watch the show, and I'm annoyed by it.

Thag · Post by **Thag** » 2004-04-06 04:54pm

It's not really a new plot line, its more like the continuation of the old one.

Daltonator · Post by **Daltonator** » 2004-04-08 04:45am

Durandal wrote:Jesus Christ, another time travel plot-line? I don't even watch the show, and I'm annoyed by it.

I think I might FUQ that.

As for me, the Ent-J looks WAY too top-heavy, and presents a nice, big juicy target for gunners even if they DON'T have sensor tracking.

I like the Defiant-type designs better.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-04-12 03:59am

The saucer just gets bigger and bigger, eventually it'll just be the flying saucers of popular ledgend.

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2004-04-12 05:04am

The E-J is fucking hideous. Any positive aesthetic points we see in future episodes will probably be little things like windows and lamps, if that.

And you're all full of shit if you treat your estimations of what classes were seen in those screencaps as anything but educated guesses. Or stretch canon to try and rectify them when those estimations lack even the authority of tech manuals. Here are a few hints, kids:

- the Federation CANNOT have the "Dauntless class" because they didn't build it and the "Dauntless" itself was assimilated by the Borg.
- Starfleet reuses hull designs. A sufficiently blurry screencap of an Akira might look like the NX. A sufficiently blurry screencap of the Prometheus might look like an Intrepid.
- There is no reason for the Federation to use the E-J's hull if they can make the Sovereign last as long as it's suggested they made the Prometheus last. Unless the E-J's flimsy shape is some technobabble hull contouring designed for the environment the sphere-builders are turning the AQ into.

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2004-04-12 05:06am

Wait - let's give ourselves a happy delusion and consider the possibility that the fugly paper-thin thing on the wall just shows one system rather than the actual hull!

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2004-04-12 06:41am

Here's another possibility for the E-J. Remember that shuttlepod that had more internal space than its external volume? What if the Federation in the E-J's time had the same ability, and the picture doesn't accurately represent the E-J's internal structure or volume? Personally I'm kind of intrigued by the idea that, say;

- a ship could be built so the nacelles don't appear to be connected from the outside, but from the inside they are connected by the requisite conduits and work space
- a ship that only has the external surface area necessary for weapons, docking ports, exhaust, etc. but has vastly more internal volume than is visible from the outside. You could have 6' x 2' x 1' photon torpedoes pouring out of a "tube" that from the outside only appears to be about two feet by one foot in surface area and a few inches deep. And not only does it appear to be that deep, but if you shoot at where you expect the rest of the mechanism to be you'll hit empty space.

And it's not as simple as phase cloaking. The shuttle's inside and outside were physically connected to each other. The shuttle's interior space wasn't intersecting with the shuttle's hull, or the sections of the NX-01 that were below the shuttle (even if that's only the floor of the NX's bottom deck). I'm not saying the idea isn't pseudoscientific bullshit. But it is established as possible in ENT, and does present some interesting possibilities.

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