Edi wrote:Icehawk, you're a fucking moron, for reasons Mike and Keevan have already stated. Being circumcised means you have been damaged, and damage is real. Your personal preference and indifference to what you have lost without even knowing do not change that in the least.
As for the effects of circumcised vs uncircumcised condition, here's a personal account of what it means: I happen to have been circumcised as an adult for reasons of medical necessity that I'm not going to go into (and expect a "Fuck you!" as answer to any queries, by way of warning, it's none of your business), but the net effect of it was that I lost half to two thirds of sensitivity there, and a corresponding lessening of intensity of the pleasure when masturbating or having sex. In addition to that, it's less comfortable than being uncircumcised, even several years after the operation. Not to mention that it's easier to get infections as well because the glans is exposed all the time.
Now is there anybody here who is still going to claim it's not damaging a person to circumcise them? Anybody want to cite health reasons for elective circumcision? Circumcisions performed out of legitimate medical necessities (which are rather few) are okay, but others aren't.
Edi
I am going to assume this is the point I needed to address if I am wrong feel free to correct me. Oh yes I had left came by to check if my request to be deleted had been accepted decided to stick around to address this thread and to complete something I said I would do, not wanting to run away from it.
Anyway as to this if this is indeed the point I cannot answer it, partly as too little is revealed here to address for instance you say you have suffered a large noticable drop in the pleasure youy recieve however, as the entire procedure is a result of medical reasons and you, for reasons I respect don't want to go into it, I cannot tell if this drop is a result of the medical reasons the procedure, a mix of the two, or just personal interpretation, IE subjective rather than Objective account. However there is somerthing I wish to address.
It has been pointed out correctly that the last two posts by myself did not contain any points on th debate, this has been claimed as being something against me. In that when I argued for a debate and then did not debate, I showed myself to be hypocrtitical, Actually I'd take obviously a different interpretation. One that is that I started to respond to the insults rather than the points, because they became more importan to the points others made than the actual points they where making. That is, the Insults bacame the point rather than the debate, leaving me nothing to respond to but the insults, a clear sign of what I have been saying. Recently, as in today I had reason to read through some Works by Philosophers, people whose lives revolve around the debate, as oppossed to the argument, and in doing so I discovered a strange fact.
Although the writer of what I am reading obviously disagreed with the whole philosophy of the people he oppossed his insults aimed, yes at them, where restrained and came from rejecting their entire philosophy, one that they created themselves. What am I saying is that even when in rational debate as oppossed to Argument, which quote all the dictionarys you like there remains a firm differance one I shall demonstrate later, the writer attempts to avoid making an issue too personal. This is something no one has demonstarted here, myself included.
It was then presented to me that Debate and argument are the same since Debate includes the word Argument in it's dictionary definition.
A mistake as I will present here
Cambridge definition of the fight
fight [Show phonetics]
noun
1 [C] an argument or an occasion when someone uses physical force to try to defeat someone:
Showing that clearly in dictionarys the word Argument can and is used often in defining words over differances of opinion... but what of my claim of a differance between the two?
Argument, when discussing a disagreement is defined as
a disagreement, or the process of disagreeing:
The children had an argument about/over what game to play.
He got into an argument with Jeff in the pub last night.
A decision was finally made after some heated argument
Anyway enough on the matter of argument and debate
while debate is definied as
(a) serious discussion of a subject in which many people take part:
Education is the current focus of public debate.
How we proceed from here is a matter for debate.
Over the year we have had several debates about future policy.
Personally I will take the Cambridge or the Oxford dictionaries definition of words over most if not all other dictionaries note that in debate here the word argument is not used. Anyway I have said my piece on this matter and will return to the point of this thread, if people still want to argue or debate the matter with me, I open to all the insults you wish to send either openly in a new thread or privatly via Messages
From a review of the two Towers.... 'As for Gimli being comic relief, what if your comic relief had a huge axe and fells dozens of Orcs? That's a pretty cool comic relief. '
