darthdavid's punishment

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Punishment?

Permanent Ban
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30%
Temp ban w/ custom title, loss of sig and avatar
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Custom title (Pathetic Attention Whore), loss of sig and avatar
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13%
Loss of sig and avatar privileges
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4%
No punishment
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darthdavid's punishment

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Discussed here
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Re: darthdavid's punishment

Post by GrandMasterTerwynn »

Joe wrote:Discussed here
The extreme tastelessness of his "joke" plus his attention-whoring CYA attitude about it afterwards, plus his apparent past propensity for pulling immature shit, plus his low contribution to post count ratio leave me with not a whit of mercy.

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Post by Beowulf »

The offence doesn't seem quite worthy enough for a perma ban, but on the other hand, it's enough that I want to pound him. Temp ban et al.
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Permenant ban. He's a spamming, immature brat who never learns.
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Temporary ban, with revocation of signature and avatar privileges, and an offensive custom title; and if he is ever brought before the Senate for bad behavior again, I will have no compunction voting for a permanent ban.
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Post by Edi »

Might as well save the trouble of hauling him up for a lesser infraction later and just toss him out the door now.

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Surlethe wrote:Temporary ban, with revocation of signature and avatar privileges, and an offensive custom title; and if he is ever brought before the Senate for bad behavior again, I will have no compunction voting for a permanent ban.
In that case, why not simply authorize any administrator to summarily ban him permanently for bad behavior? This could be an addition to the temporary banning and revocation of privileges.
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Post by Knife »

CT and loss of sig and avatar privs. If indeed he is an attension whore, give him the negitive attension that comes with a CT and obvious attension some one with no sig and avatar gets in a thread.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong

But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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Post by Surlethe »

Publius wrote:In that case, why not simply authorize any administrator to summarily ban him permanently for bad behavior? This could be an addition to the temporary banning and revocation of privileges.
This is a good suggestion.

I would like to move that the Senate, if it does not resolve to ban darthdavid permanently, attach to his punishment a statement to the effect that any administrator may summarily pemanently ban darthdavid at any point in the future if he should behave badly.
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Post by Connor MacLeod »

Temp ban with the proviso that if it happens again, its a permban.

Edit: And by permban, I mean automatic permban.
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Post by Coyote »

Temp ban, priviledge loss, and later on-the-spot permban for further infractions.
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Post by CmdrWilkens »

At this point only the fact that I don't trust myself to be completely rational caused me to go with temp ban over permaban.
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Post by Knife »

I think you guy's are over reacting, if I may. It was tasteless, tactless and badly done. That said, those calling for perm ban and even a couple for the temp ban, remind me of last years hesterics and demands for apologies over the Mess's deal.

Granted, DD's 'joke' was in way less taste than Rob's/Jeg's but damn. Smack him in the pee pee and move on. I tried to put this some what eloquently in the discussion thread, but reading through the responses here plus the actual vote......In my less than esteemed opinion, I think it's spiraling out of control for what it really was.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong

But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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Post by Edi »

Knife wrote:I think you guy's are over reacting, if I may. It was tasteless, tactless and badly done. That said, those calling for perm ban and even a couple for the temp ban, remind me of last years hesterics and demands for apologies over the Mess's deal.

Granted, DD's 'joke' was in way less taste than Rob's/Jeg's but damn. Smack him in the pee pee and move on. I tried to put this some what eloquently in the discussion thread, but reading through the responses here plus the actual vote......In my less than esteemed opinion, I think it's spiraling out of control for what it really was.
You wouldn't be seeing such willingness to string him up if he was actually somebody who was respected for his contributions and suffered a lapse in judgment, Knife. It's his history of being a worthless attention whore coming back to haunt him with a vengeance. It doesn't help his case that he has been told off in the past for being a spammy, emoting me-too.

Given that and the stunt he pulled, it's hardly comparable to the Mess prank last year. If DD gets off with a temp-ban and the other attached stuff, he can count himself lucky. I'd have gone for the temp-ban otherwise, but that'd just postpone the inevitable when he fucks up and because he went ahead with his idiocy despite having been told not to do it because it was a bad idea.

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Post by Coyote »

I'd also add that "Rob is a cook!" has a completely different dynamic to it than "I'm gonna kill myself!-- Ha! Ha!" especially after lining up something similar last year.
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Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

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Post by Knife »

The jokes themselves wasn't suppost to be a perfect analogy, rather the reaction. I'm pretty sure I alluded as such in the post.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong

But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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Post by Joe »

All right, let's give it one more day, then submit our decision to the admins.
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Knife wrote:The jokes themselves wasn't suppost to be a perfect analogy, rather the reaction. I'm pretty sure I alluded as such in the post.
I know, but you have to factor in what the reaction is to. The reaction here is similar to what we got from some members for the Mess prank, but the actual action being responded to is far different.

The general response to the overblown reaction to the Mess prank, from both the staff and from a lot of the general population was "Goddamn, they had us fooled, but get over it, it wasn't that serious." It should also be noted that the most vociferous reaction to the Mess prank came mostly from people who are generally regarded (unanimously by the staff) as little more than useless whiners who throw tantrums when they don't get their way.

Contrast to this case where it was first discussed among the staff before being put to the Senate, and you have basically the cream of established board members wanting to basically string him up or at the most merciful flog him to within an inch of his virtual life and string him up without a trial the next time he so much as gives an evil eye to anybody.

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Tempban sounds good.
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anything decieded on our answer to holden caulfield?
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Post by Joe »

OK, I guess that's enough. I'll submit this to the admins soon. Lock, please.
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The Senate has spoken; let its decision become fact. The user darthdavid has been banned for a period no longer than one month, with the further punishments of a custom title and permanent removal of signature and avatar priviledges.

So it is said, so it is done, this day the 13th of April 2006 at 1:56am.
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