[Discussion]New Senator nominations discussion?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2006-01-02 08:48pm

Rob Wilson wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:How about Mad? He's a user on SD.net and SB.. he's incredibly intelligent, a frighteningly capable debator (at least in the SW vein) and I've known him for years now. Noone better you'd want at your back in a debate (in fact if I need help I still call on him, because of how good he is.)
Could you give links to some of his debates on the board? I'll edit the link to his profile into your post if you want.

I can't link to them, but he did throw down quite a bit in 02-03 in the SWvST and SW forum hammering out the current turbolaser theory. There was that big one between him and Mark Xavier particularily.

EDIT: Link provided by Noble Ire.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2006-01-03 04:21pm

Chancellor:

This Senator is pleased to support the nomination of Mad for membership in the Imperial Senate. The gentleman in question has in the past demonstrated -- both on this board and elsewhere -- that he is a skillful debater of formidable intellect and resources. He is an excellent candidate for membership, and this Senator for one would be pleased to see him given recognition for his contributions to intelligent discussions here and elsewhere.

Post by **Coyote** » 2006-01-03 04:29pm

He does seem like a good candidate, skills wise, but is he really motivated enough to participate? He's been here since 2002 but I had never heard of him until this thread, and his post count is still quite low.

This does not disqualify him, but if he has only a passing interest in what's going on, would he really be interested in contributing enough to be voting on things like board policies, et al?

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2006-01-03 04:42pm

Coyote wrote:He does seem like a good candidate, skills wise, but is he really motivated enough to participate? He's been here since 2002 but I had never heard of him until this thread, and his post count is still quite low.

This does not disqualify him, but if he has only a passing interest in what's going on, would he really be interested in contributing enough to be voting on things like board policies, et al?

This Senator was the 33rd person to join the board, and yet has only 800 or so posts to his name; furthermore, he has never participated in discussion of board policies or initiatives. If this Senator was deemed acceptable for membership, then surely those can be no bar to Mad's candidacy?

Post by **Coyote** » 2006-01-03 04:55pm

Publius wrote:This Senator was the 33rd person to join the board, and yet has only 800 or so posts to his name; furthermore, he has never participated in discussion of board policies or initiatives. If this Senator was deemed acceptable for membership, then surely those can be no bar to Mad's candidacy?

Valid observation; point conceded and my question withdrawn.

Post by **Zaia** » 2006-01-03 05:07pm

Based on the interactions I've had with Mad, I think he would be an excellent addition to the Senate.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2006-01-03 10:36pm

I fully endorse Mad's nomination to the Senate.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2006-01-03 10:50pm

OK guys, we get it, Mad is a good choice. Can we have other nominations now? When it comes to the vote you can show your undying love of the guy.

I'll remind everyone to read Rule 2, specifically the bit about what to do if someone has nominated a person you also want nominated.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2006-01-08 08:02pm

I'd like to nominate Vympel for senator. His battles with VS Trekkies have been exceptional over the years, and is currently holding his own in enemy territory!

This senator cannpt provide relevant posts at this time, as he is working from a restricted computer!

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2006-01-08 08:05pm

Lord Poe wrote:I'd like to nominate Vympel for senator. His battles with VS Trekkies have been exceptional over the years, and is currently holding his own in enemy territory!

This senator cannpt provide relevant posts at this time, as he is working from a restricted computer!

Vymplel is a supermod.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2006-01-08 08:45pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:Vymplel is a supermod.

Oh... I didn't see him listed in the senate, though.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2006-01-08 08:50pm

Lord Poe wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Vymplel is a supermod.
Oh... I didn't see him listed in the senate, though.

Staff arent listed in the Senators group. We're Governers and Executors

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2006-01-10 01:14am

Lord Poe wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Vymplel is a supermod.
Oh... I didn't see him listed in the senate, though.

Think of it like the Westminster system of government. All of us senators are like back bench MP's. we can question and raise questions for others. We can introduce legisaltion and comment on policy. The executive is appointed from the Senate and all members of the executive sit in the senate. The Monarch, ie Mike, delegates certain authority from time to time and can revoke it, appoints ministers to act on his behalf.
Of course, unlike HM the Queen, Mike does not act on the advice of his ministers at all times

Post by **Coyote** » 2006-01-10 09:36am

I kinda liked the Roman Senate model, though. More debauchery. And the occassional raid into Gaul for slaves.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2006-01-11 07:17pm

Coyote wrote:I kinda liked the Roman Senate model, though. More debauchery. And the occassional raid into Gaul for slaves.

And bribes. Lots and lots of bribes.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2006-01-13 07:15pm

Coyote wrote:I kinda liked the Roman Senate model, though. More debauchery. And the occassional raid into Gaul for slaves.

*Points to the British governmnets up to the early 20th century.*
Whats your problem

As a point of fact when Loyd George was PM there was a well known price list for Knighthoods up to Dukedoms, to say nothing of sexual habits of royalty that make Prince Charles tampon comments look like the amaturish gropings of a 15 year old teenager.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2006-01-14 01:01am

Not that I have a nomination to add but may I request that we all collectively refrain from further posts which are NOT nominations or second to said nominations?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2006-01-19 12:13pm

Folks, it's 19 January already. No offense to Mad, but he can't possibly be the only qualified candidate. We need more nominations.

Post by **Dalton** » 2006-01-19 12:35pm

RedImperator wrote:Folks, it's 19 January already. No offense to Mad, but he can't possibly be the only qualified candidate. We need more nominations.

Unfortunately everyone with nominations in mind can't nominate new senators according to Rob's rules. But if any Senator can think of someone good, please, by all means.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2006-01-22 08:15pm

I could think of a few, but I've already made my nomination.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2006-01-22 08:24pm

Part of the problem I think is that most of the people who are IMHO deserving of the status already have it. Aside from that, I've noticed that alot of people who I might also think of worthy of the status are either no longer with us, or are infrequent posters as it is, so it doesnt seem like much point (yet) to make them senators unless they become more active.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2006-01-22 09:48pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:I could think of a few, but I've already made my nomination.

Ditto, but beyond that, the only other person I can think of to nominate, I was suprised didn't get it in the first round (hell, I would have expected them to get it before me). So I suspect that there was a decision on Mike/the other Admin's behalf to not include this person for a specific reason, so I don't want to bring them up.

Post by **Edi** » 2006-01-23 01:08am

Connor MacLeod wrote:Part of the problem I think is that most of the people who are IMHO deserving of the status already have it. Aside from that, I've noticed that alot of people who I might also think of worthy of the status are either no longer with us, or are infrequent posters as it is, so it doesnt seem like much point (yet) to make them senators unless they become more active.

Infrequent posting is not a negative mark per se. There are some senators with rather low postcounts and (compared to most denizens) very infrequent postinghabits but whose contributions made their inclusion a no-brainer.

Ender wrote:Ditto, but beyond that, the only other person I can think of to nominate, I was suprised didn't get it in the first round (hell, I would have expected them to get it before me). So I suspect that there was a decision on Mike/the other Admin's behalf to not include this person for a specific reason, so I don't want to bring them up.

The initial composition of the Senate was limited in size preciesely to allow the Senate itself to decide how quickly to expand and who to include. For this reason, some people who in the opinion of Senators perhaps should have been included have not been, but that in itself is no mark against said persons.

Furthermore, the current rules of the Senate prevent the moderators and administrators from nominating new Senator candidates. We can still vote on the suitability of candidates nominated by Senators, but that must happen first, and we can't even suggest to Senators who perhaps would deserve Senatorship. If this were not the case, there would be a minimum of three more nominations on the table right now, if not more.

This is also the reason for the posts Red and Dalton made above. It's not that there's currently a shortage of deserving people, it's just that the people who think so either can't nominate them (the staff) or have already made their nominations (e.g. Ender and Connor).

I would also like to state the opinion that we should perhaps have a discussion thread for the nominations in addition to the actual nomination thread to avoid clutter. I'd split the discussion posts (such as this one) out of this thread, but I don't have mod privileges in the Senate beyond the ability to edit my own posts.

Edi

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2006-01-23 01:39am

Edi wrote:
I would also like to state the opinion that we should perhaps have a discussion thread for the nominations in addition to the actual nomination thread to avoid clutter. I'd split the discussion posts (such as this one) out of this thread, but I don't have mod privileges in the Senate beyond the ability to edit my own posts.

Edi

Some guidance from the 'Standing Orders'.

2] i) Only nominations and comments on the nominee's may be put in a [Member] thread, if you don't agree on a nomination, then don't vote for that person. Any flames or arguments in that thread will be deleted - no exceptions!

linky

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2006-01-23 01:52am

Edi made a reference to having a discussion thread on new Senator nominations.

Edi wrote:I would also like to state the opinion that we should perhaps have a discussion thread for the nominations in addition to the actual nomination thread to avoid clutter. I'd split the discussion posts (such as this one) out of this thread, but I don't have mod privileges in the Senate beyond the ability to edit my own posts.

linky

I think this type of thread maybe a good idea if the Senate wishes to discuss a nomination in greater depth than perhaps maybe permissable in the [Member] thread. Subject to the standing orders.