Edi wrote:My first instinct would actually to drop the heavy end of the Ban Hammer on him with utmost prejudice, but after reading the justifications of the members who as of yet oppose a ban *grits teeth* I must with extreme reluctance agree with them and vote "no".
See, this is why we have talks about things.
Edi wrote:For now, just title the spammer, but make it something really offensive, and preferably also revoke his avatar and sig privileges.
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If we have a title vote, then further punitive actions will be a consideration.
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No ban. If he gets a custom idiot title it should be a generic one
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No. I have always understood that, unless a bannable offence takes place, there was a graduated system leading to a ban that included warnings and offensive titles of one type or another.
If, in the opinions of Staff, he has not quite done anything of a bannable nature, then procedure should be followed {he has had enough warnings, title immediatly}. Given his history, a time limit set on behaviour modification and if he fails to meet that then ban him.
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While it would seem to be almost stylish at this point to vote no I think it bears mentioing that his behavior is far from what we should consider desireable or even fully acceptable. Thus we must obviously begin looking at what punitive measures should be taken but in the meantime I believe we shouldn't lower the ban hammer without previous punihsment excepting those situations where an egregious breech of the rules has been executed.
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My understanding of our justice system, such as it is, was that unless you were being an out and out dumbshit to mike and/or flagrently breaking rules, it was a 4 tier system.
1) Flames/counseling from other members
2) Warning from Mod
3) Title
4) Ban poll
Now he's certainly had 1 and 2, but no number 3. Now its been pointed out that he should have had one and it was just procrastination. But in real life we can't just throw people in jail and say "well, you should have had a trial, we just procrastinated, here's your cell".
So I say no.
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I think a ban is a bit much right now-- but I think a definite period of probation, maybe with the custom title "ON PROBATION" would be appropriate.
If behavioral improvements don't manifest within, say, 2 months then a VI title, and if still no improvement in another 2 months, then BAN.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Coyote wrote:I think a ban is a bit much right now-- but I think a definite period of probation, maybe with the custom title "ON PROBATION" would be appropriate.
If behavioral improvements don't manifest within, say, 2 months then a VI title, and if still no improvement in another 2 months, then BAN.
I'll add that to the OP of the Titling thread should he avoid being banned.
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"The officers can stay in the admin building and read the latest Tom Clancy novel thinking up new OOBs based on it." Coyote
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In a way, DEATH has made his own leash very short. I recall when he first came here his command of English was quite poor. After people got on him for this, he improved considerably-- thus showing a ability to learn and improve.
For him to show further improvement, the bar should be set high.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
The Poll is ended and the verdict is :
Yes =8
No = 20
Therefore DEATH is not to be banned. The suggestion that he be Titled will now by put forth.
"Do you know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I get and beat you with, until you understand whose in f***ing command here!" Jayne : Firefly
"The officers can stay in the admin building and read the latest Tom Clancy novel thinking up new OOBs based on it." Coyote
HAB Tankspotter - like trainspotting but with the thrill of 125mm retaliation if they spot you back
