Sea Skimmer wrote:The Romulan Republic wrote: Now, in the unlikely event that anyone has paid attention to my previous posts , I have usually been against adding lots of new rules to deal with every eventually, partly because I feel that they stifle discussion and lead to stagnation. However, I'm sick of each new STGOD discussion becoming a debate over just how extensive and complicated the rules have to be to prevent the kind of behavior described above, when the problem might be solved by one simple rule that explicitely forbids such behavior and makes it a punishable offense. I would like to see it clearly spelled out that such behavior is not acceptable, and I would like to see it enforced if nessissary.
You say working out rules for each game is too complicated, but somehow you think we can make an all comprehensive set of rules for all games which won’t cause even more bullshit? Yeah right… the vagueness if your own thinking just points to the massive problems inherent to such an idea. What are you going to say, one cannot powergame? Yeah sure that’s great, now define power gaming in terms specific enough to avoid dispute on what is power gaming and just see how far that goes. Not gonna work. If you have to spell it out... you've already lost.
Perhaps I didn't spell it out clearly enough for you to understand, so I'll try again.
I am not, I repeat,
not asking for a single standard set of rules for all future STGODs. That would be an
apallingly bad idea, and if anyone got the impression that that was what I was talking about, I appologise and would like to make it explicitely clear that it is not what I had in mind.
All I am suggesting is a one-line addition to the rules that makes it an explicite violation of board rules
to ignor the in-game rules or game moderator of any given STGOD. Each individual STGOD would still be run in its own way,
with no standardized set of rules.
I acknowledge that powergaming may be an
implicite violation of existing rules about trolling as you suggested below, but I felt it would be good to make it explicitely clear, both to deter such behavior in the future and to allow an STGOD to actually get started without demands for an over-complicated set of rules to prevent powergaming. I also acknowledge that powergaming is hard to define, but so are flaming, trolling, and sometimes logical fallacies, and we have rules regarding those. In any case this is intended to deal with blatant violations that could shut down a game, and in such a situation the infraction should be obvious.
Sea Skimmer wrote:We don’t need new rules anyway; truly deliberately sabotaging a STGOD with erroneous posts is just trolling. Refer it to the mods when it happens. Anything else, that’s the players problem. Pick you’re players well, make rules that work, don’t chose settings when details matter overwhelmingly. The most successful games I’ve seen had almost no rules and worked fine, some going on for even years, because everyone was just on the same page on what they wanted out of the game. If you don’t have that, then you don’t have shit. I've also seen games with highly complex rules run for long times, but this was also because everyone was on the same page and could agree to those rules and didn't just hunt for ways to beat them.
You know, I agree with most of this. I have consistantly argued that over-complicated sets of rules in an STGOD are needless. But others disagree because of concerns over powergaming, so this is my attempt to resolve the issue as much as possible. Having more rules has questionable effect, as a player can ignore them as easilly as a game moderator. Maybe if we made it clear that repeatedly ignoring a game's moderator or rules was a punishable offense and would be delt with, people wouldn't feel the need to debate for a week over increasingly cumbersom rules for each new STGOD.
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