The Domination vs Mordor

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-30 03:04pm

Scenario One: Through the forces of space-time rips, the Domination and Mordor find themselves on the same continent, seperated by a narrow no man's land.

The Dominator wants to add Mordor to his empire because he's a power-crazed lunatic. Sauron wants to do the same.

Scenario Two: Exact same thing, but with Lady's empire at it's greatest extent vs Mordor.

No outside interference, at all.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-30 04:18pm

Please give a little background...I don't know Dominator...

Vejut · Post by **Vejut** » 2002-09-30 04:30pm

Well, this particular dominator is an Uber-Magician. At the height of his power, he controlled the world, IIRC, and both he and his consort, the Lady, were bad @$$ mother-F***ers, with powers able to kill many people, rifle through even a wizards mind with ease, etc. Further, the Dominator, through a process called Taking, which both he and the Lady could do, could permanently compel a wizard into their service. The Dominator Took the 10 most powerfull wizards of his time (of all KNOWN time, at that point) to serve him. He was only bested by the White Rose, because she was a military genius and magic null point, so his powers couldn't work. all 12 were sealed in the barrowlands until a wizard named Bomanz (archelogist wiz...) broke through the safeguards and let the lady loose, and the 10 with her. He DID manage to keep the dominator down (possibly with covert help from the Lady). Lady rules for long time, until Dominator tries to break free, helping the rebels against the empire, and turning several Taken trator. Only 2 (or 3?) survive, plus 3 more the Lady Took from the rebel ranks. Raven (the badass in combat, cowardly in relationships) breaks the Dominator free accidentally, Black Company is devastated containing him--he is eventually contained in a silver spike in a tree, the son of a god. Spike stolen, recovered, thrown into void. To give you an idea of his physical toughness-strength of 10 men (at least!), and one of his 10 taken was beheaded, burned (except for head), and came back just fine (minus being without a body). That one devastated huge numbers of cities with a pitifully small army, before being contained, and finally killed (I think), by having the flesh boiled from his bones...and that was just a leiutenant of the Dominator...
Not sure Sauron doesn't have more total power though...but the Lady and Dominator have tactics on their side...I'd call it a toss up...

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-30 04:38pm

Tough. Sauron has Saruman, the Black Captain, the Voice, the other eight Ringwraiths, millions and millions of orcs, goblins, and trolls. He also has the Black Fleet and the Uruk-hai (superorcs).

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-09-30 04:40pm

I thought sauron had no more then a million orcs, scattered throughout mordor and eastern middle earth?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-09-30 05:25pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:I thought sauron had no more then a million orcs, scattered throughout mordor and eastern middle earth?

Millions upon millions. They were incredibly numerous.

Sauron would crush the Dominator and the Domination. He, The Lady, and the Taken were tough, no doubt about it, sufficient numbers could bring them down though. Press the millions of orcs against the Dominator and his forces and he'll be brought down.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-30 05:27pm

Millions can be broken; each of the Taken can annhilate armies; and there is no way Saruman can stand against the Taken.

Now, let's bring windwhales into the equation. ^^

cabal_88 · Post by **cabal_88** » 2002-09-30 06:41pm

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HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-30 06:44pm

Please don't troll my topics. It makes me want to kill you.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-09-30 07:25pm

IG-88E wrote:Tough. Sauron has Saruman, the Black Captain, the Voice, the other eight Ringwraiths, millions and millions of orcs, goblins, and trolls. He also has the Black Fleet and the Uruk-hai (superorcs).

You forget the Olog-Hai. Imagine trolls that can actually plan and fight effectively, in daylight.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-30 07:36pm

vs windwhales?

Poor little trolls...

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-09-30 08:00pm

Cyril wrote:vs windwhales?

Poor little trolls...

No, just in battle.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-30 08:11pm

Ah, ok. A standard windwhale is effectively immune to all the orcish hordes and can rip the apart quite nicely.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-09-30 08:17pm

Cyril wrote:Ah, ok. A standard windwhale is effectively immune to all the orcish hordes and can rip the apart quite nicely.

Sounds a bit like a Balrog.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-30 08:19pm

Well, a windwhale is a mile-long whale thing that flies, and has huge tentacles that can eat armies.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-09-30 08:31pm

Cyril wrote:Well, a windwhale is a mile-long whale thing that flies, and has huge tentacles that can eat armies.

Oh. Bit of a bother, what? </british>

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-30 08:35pm

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-09-30 08:45pm

Cyril wrote:Millions can be broken; each of the Taken can annhilate armies; and there is no way Saruman can stand against the Taken.

Now, let's bring windwhales into the equation. ^^

The Taken never annhilated enite armies. And Saruman just might, we never saw him fight openly with his full powers. Given what the Maiar can do when they cut loose, he could win. Or they could simply undo the Taken's defenses and watch as they're killed by orc arrows.

Sauron and the Nazgul would be absolutely immune to the Taken and Dominators magic. They don't effect the soul and that's all Sauron and the nazgul have. Well, Sauron's got a body but it's replaceable.

And windwhales. They're slow and vunerable. The Nazgul would cut them and their Manta escort to ribbons in the first engagment.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-09-30 08:46pm

Cyril wrote:Well, a windwhale is a mile-long whale thing that flies, and has huge tentacles that can eat armies.

They have never eaten entire armies. Companies yes but never whole armies. And with all the orc and other critters Sauron has they'll be able to survive the loss.

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2002-09-30 08:57pm

Im lost does Sauron have the ring if so he wins hands down if not he still wins.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-30 08:58pm

It says in White Rose that they're capable of eating armies; the Rebellion never gets into an engagement where it's necessary.

Methinks the Nazgul would be rather occupied by the Taken; the Taken can at least destroy their material bodies. And, since the Rebels could imprison the Dominator's soul in a silver spike, what's to say the Dominator couldn't do the same to Sauron?

The Limper slew thousands of soldiers singlehandely in one battle in Forsberg; and he was beng countered by a few of the Eighteen. When he cut loose entirely, he was able to wipe out cities. Saruman has never demonstrated that sort of power.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-09-30 09:13pm

Cyril wrote:It says in White Rose that they're capable of eating armies; the Rebellion never gets into an engagement where it's necessary.[/ quote]

But at the battle at charm they did not destroy entire armies. Eventually they destroyed armies but that was more brutal attrition rather than single or a few quickly paced strikes

Cyril wrote:Methinks the Nazgul would be rather occupied by the Taken; the Taken can at least destroy their material bodies.[/ quote]

The Nazgul have no physical body. They are wraiths; they have no body but are capable of manipulating the physical world.

Cyril wrote:And, since the Rebels could imprison the Dominator's soul in a silver spike, what's to say the Dominator couldn't do the same to Sauron?[/ quote]

All they did was boil and burn the Dominator with the spike. No fancy magic, just a hot fire. That sure as hell won't work with Sauron.

And Sauron was supposed to have cut a swath in any battle he joined.

We never saw Saruman cut loose. He was forbidden to fight power with power. If he does, it'll be bad.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-30 09:20pm

But at the battle at charm they did not destroy entire armies. Eventually they destroyed armies but that was more brutal attrition rather than single or a few quickly paced strikes

Couple of reasons for that.

Remember, they were being parried by the surviving Eighteen. Furthermore, Lady did not let them cut loose - the whole point of Charm was to wipe out the disloyal Taken AND the Rebels, and thus make a statement to both the Rebellion and the Dominator.

The Nazgul have no physical body. They are wraiths; they have no body but are capable of manipulating the physical world.

I thought they needed their cloaks or something to interact with the world, and that's why Aragon was able to defeat them with fire?

All they did was boil and burn the Dominator with the spike. No fancy magic, just a hot fire. That sure as hell won't work with Sauron.

They *locked his soul* into the spike.

And Sauron was supposed to have cut a swath in any battle he joined.

We never saw Saruman cut loose. He was forbidden to fight power with power. If he does, it'll be bad.

We only saw one Taken ever cut loose, and when he did, his fury brought mighty cities to their knees - and that was when he was lacking a body, full control over his powers, an army, and support-spellcasters.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-30 09:21pm

If Sauron has the ring, he'll be virtually invincible. And he'll have learned to be more careful after Isildur's lucky slash.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-30 09:24pm

Possibly.

By the way, how would the untold million of orcs feel about being cooked like lobsters?

Mmmm....lobsters.