Who can beat the Galatic Empire?

von Neufeld · Post by **von Neufeld** » 2003-03-26 02:22am

The Galactic Empire (SW) can beat the crap out of most other Sci-fi nations but who can beat them? Assume that Galactic Empire is at its height of power (just before RotJ). Only nations count, no superheroes (Yes, that means you Goku).

So far on my list:
1. The Culture, Culture novels, Iain Banks
2. The Fourth Empire, Dahak trilogy, David Weber

Any others?

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-03-26 02:46am

The Xeelee and associated enemy, the Photino Birds

A number of the groups in Marathon.

The Blight.

Any of the larger, older Powers in Vinge's A Fire Upon the Deep universe.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-03-26 02:56am

Possibly the Q

Timelords

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-03-26 03:40am

Culturevese Sublimed
Culturevese Involveds

Future Daleks (the ones in the curel and demented fic) [Dr. Who]
Necrontyr before their sleep. [WH40K]

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-03-26 03:45am

The Shi'ar, Kree, and Skrull Empires.

Apokalips.

Jurai Empire? (Depnds on continuity selection and various interpretation of events.)

Kold Empire? (Same as above)

Asimov's Empire? (Debated twice. Asimov's Empire was favored.)

Principality of Zan (Remember that thread?

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Latveria? (Depends on how generous you are of Dr. Doom's abilities.)

von Neufeld · Post by **von Neufeld** » 2003-03-26 03:47am

Could you also include the works that they are from when you name empires, please?

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-03-26 03:51am

Yogi wrote:The Shi'ar, Kree, and Skrull Empires.
Latveria? (Depends on how generous you are of Dr. Doom's abilities.)

Marvel Comics

Yogi wrote:Apokalips.

Detective Comics

Yogi wrote:Jurai Empire? (Depnds on continuity selection and various interpretation of events.)

No Need for Tenchi OVA continuity soup.

Yogi wrote:Kold Empire? (Same as above)

Dragonball

Yogi wrote:Asimov's Empire? (Debated twice. Asimov's Empire was favored.)

Asimov's novels.

Yogi wrote:Principality of Zan (Remember that thread? )

Some stupid thread titled "All of Anime vs. Principality of Zan" on this board. Wankfest powerful empire.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-03-26 03:55am

Krikkits from the "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" series by Douglas Adams.

Sixth OVA Gunbuster humans with their LTL system are going to be a real bitch for the GE to properly defeat. Their weapons for all intents and purposes will turn Imperial warships into one-hit kills.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-03-26 03:55am

Now granted, it's been a long time since I read comics, but I'm having a VERY difficult time seeing the GE overun by the Skrulls or Kree. The Shi'ar are a different story, maybe.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-03-26 03:57am

Considering the span of those Empires (multi-galaxy if I recall correctly) and the kinds of things they go up against (Thor, various cosmic beings, Galactus etc.) I'd personally say they're more than a match.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-03-26 04:04am

IIRC, Hemlock was the one who brought up the "Principality of Zan", which was from a local comic book that was so obscure that nothing about it showed up on Google, initially leading some of us to think that he was just making it all up due to some personal grudge he had with anime.

It was so powerful it was boring.

Seriously, it was that masturbatorily over-powerful. It sounded like it could kick the Culture's ass six ways to Sunday.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2003-03-26 05:40am

The Imperium of Man during the Great Crusade before Horus became corrupted.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-03-26 06:40am

The Core & the Arm at the hieght of the empires. Or the Core at the end of Core Contingency when a Core Commander reactiveted & was about to use the Galactic Implosion device(using their own tech + some pointers from some Alien artifact)

Total Annihilation

Downtimers, who is humanity after ~10^32 years with typical real-life human development in tech(IMO these guys would own the Xeelee).

Manifold series

TrekWarsie · Post by **TrekWarsie** » 2003-03-26 07:18am

The Asgard from Stargate SG-1 could probably do it.
The Kold Empire from DBZ.
The Systems Commonwealth at its height in Andromeda might be able to do it.

Those are the only ones that I can think of at the moment.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-03-26 08:20am

Civalation from EE doc smiths lensman series.
Skylark also from Smith.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-03-26 08:59am

The New Republic versus Beast thread didn't get very far, but I still hold that the Beast would have a chance -shrug-. It probably wouldn't.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-26 09:39am

von Neufeld wrote:2. The Fourth Empire, Dahak trilogy, David Weber

Only if they got better FTL. Reverse engineer Wars hyperdrives or something. Other wise the FTL problems would stalemate any conflict.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-26 09:48am

The Affront could not only take the Galactic Empire they'd be eager to. (Culture-verse)

Whoever it was that drove Accualtani from their galaxy probably would be able to as well. (Muntineer-verse)

Democratic Order of Planets (DOOP) from Futurama. Insane FTL (a delivery ship can go the edge of the universe in an afternoon) and doomsday weapons out the wazhoo. Not to mention plenty of nitfy uber-tech like the gravity pump that can move stars (again on a delivery ship).

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-03-26 10:18am

Stormbringer wrote:The Affront could not only take the Galactic Empire they'd be eager to. (Culture-verse)

Whoever it was that drove Accualtani from their galaxy probably would be able to as well. (Muntineer-verse)

Democratic Order of Planets (DOOP) from Futurama. Insane FTL (a delivery ship can go the edge of the universe in an afternoon) and doomsday weapons out the wazhoo. Not to mention plenty of nitfy uber-tech like the gravity pump that can move stars (again on a delivery ship).

Hell, the Delivery ship doesn't actually move, it moves the universe around it.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-26 11:42am

Alyeska wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:The Affront could not only take the Galactic Empire they'd be eager to. (Culture-verse)

Whoever it was that drove Accualtani from their galaxy probably would be able to as well. (Muntineer-verse)

Democratic Order of Planets (DOOP) from Futurama. Insane FTL (a delivery ship can go the edge of the universe in an afternoon) and doomsday weapons out the wazhoo. Not to mention plenty of nitfy uber-tech like the gravity pump that can move stars (again on a delivery ship).
Hell, the Delivery ship doesn't actually move, it moves the universe around it.

And they're lead by the evil that is Richard Milhous Nixon's head.

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2003-03-26 12:44pm

Yogi wrote:Considering the span of those Empires (multi-galaxy if I recall correctly) and the kinds of things they go up against (Thor, various cosmic beings, Galactus etc.) I'd personally say they're more than a match.

Are you implying that the GE could not go up against Thor or Galactus? WTF?

Posbi · Post by **Posbi** » 2003-03-26 01:09pm

The Solar Empire as of 3500 AD.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-03-26 01:40pm

Demiurge wrote:Are you implying that the GE could not go up against Thor or Galactus? WTF?

I'll do the world a favor and skip with the implying.

Thor can defeat the Galactic Empire. He defeated a fleet of starships with planet busting power (unknown if it was individual, or collective, but either way that's stronger than a fleet of ISDs) and can fly from one end of the Galaxy to another in seconds. It might take time, but the GE goes down.

Galactus will utterly CRUSH the Galactic Empire. There is no chance in hell that the GE will even make Galactus flinch. The collateral damage from one of his fights was the destruction of an entire galaxy. He wields the Power Cosmic, making him essencially Pre-crisis Superman (Power Cosmic in Marvel is the "do anything" card.)

von Neufeld · Post by **von Neufeld** » 2003-03-26 01:47pm

Stormbringer wrote:
von Neufeld wrote:2. The Fourth Empire, Dahak trilogy, David Weber
Only if they got better FTL. Reverse engineer Wars hyperdrives or something. Other wise the FTL problems would stalemate any conflict.

Yes, I did consider that problem myself. However, this will be a long conflict and I consider it likely that 4th Empire will get the SW hyperdrive tech duplicated before the SW galaxy is able to build and/or invent enough firepower to meet the 4th Empire head on.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-03-26 02:33pm

ggs wrote:Downtimers, who is humanity after ~10^32 years with typical real-life human development in tech(IMO these guys would own the Xeelee).

Manifold series

Those guys are insanely powerful, it isn't even funny. These guys wouldn't own the Xeelee. The Xeelee would take one look and run to their Ring. They are literal gods, they're immortal, they make their own sentient species' for fun, they create their own UNIVERSES just on a whim...

Yogi wrote: Asimov's Empire? (Debated twice. Asimov's Empire was favored.)

Foundation, Part 3 wrote: Two weeks ago an Anacreonian merchant ship came across a derelict battle cruiser of the old Imperial Navy. It must have been drifting in space for at least three centuries...It's a ship! They could build in those days. Its cubic capacity is half again that of the entire Anacreonian navy. It'a got atomic blasts capable of blowing up a planet, and a shield that could take a Q-beam without working up radiation.

Note how he said "Blow up." NOT melt the surface. Blow up.

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