Wheel of Time in Star Wars

[Darth Hoth]

By act of God, the Wheel of Time planet appears in the SW galaxy, as of the latermost books (by the time they have rediscovered most of the magical gimmickry and do have Asha'man, but before the collapse of the Seanchan). Additionally, Forsaken who have died and not been reincarnated are restored, and those who are puppets of Moridin are released (Lanfear and who else?).

By the time the authorities become aware of the new planet, at least two separate smuggler craft have landed, curious of the new world and investigating it (they might have been mind-influenced, or they just saw something interesting). One ends up with the Dragonsworn and the other in the hands of the Forsaken, providing both sides with a broad update on the state of galactic affairs, as well as a basic explanation of SW technology, by mindreading if necessary (they cannot completely understand it, at least not initially, but they do get an idea of its capabilities and limitations and will not fall down and pray when they see the first flying car). These ships also give them a limited off-world capacity. The Dark One calls off his near-future plans for his own planet and immediately sends out agents to explore the galaxy, seeking to increase his influence, and presumably the good guys will react to this.

Are these people, of themselves, important enough to change anything in the galaxy, or are they merely another oddity for Palpatine's zoo? They hold only part of one planet, and a shitty primitive one at that. On the other hand, they do have some freaky abilities that might cause problems if the authorities react slowly and they somehow manage to reach into the upper tiers of the administration.

Scenario 1: This happens during Palpatine's reign, between episodes IV and V.

Scenario 2: This happens in the New Republic in, say, right after Leia resigns as President.

[Darth Hoth]

Ghetto edit: The planet ends up in a fairly sparsely travelled section of the Outer Rim, so patrols will not be raining down on them from the onset.

[Alex Moon]

The planet most likely gets quarentined or outright slagged as soon as the authorities discover it. The ability to channel is genetic, which means that there would be a real fear that someone would try and exploit it. Even a small number of channellers would be a threat locally, and if you combine it with cloning or an extensive Genetic Engineering program in the hands of say, the rebellion, then very quickly things would get ugly.

Damnit, I have a SW/WOT crossover outline lying around somewhere. I may have to get back to writing it...

[mr friendly guy]

The Seanchan collapsed. What, when, how.

Now back to the OP, would Palpatine try cloning a channeler or breeding it with a Force sensitive and then cloning the off spring. Would be hell useful.

[Darth Hoth]

The planet most likely gets quarentined or outright slagged as soon as the authorities discover it. The ability to channel is genetic, which means that there would be a real fear that someone would try and exploit it. Even a small number of channellers would be a threat locally, and if you combine it with cloning or an extensive Genetic Engineering program in the hands of say, the rebellion, then very quickly things would get ugly.

How effectively would they be able to use their magic in space, though? Fire and stuff would do little against starships. Gates, on the other hand, might be deadly in their cutting and teleporting; that could be akin to a weak version of Palpatine's Hyperspace Wormhole. Of course, mindfucking and dreamwalking would be their most competitive abilities.

I do not think the planet would be glassed, though; the NR would not have the political will to do it, and Palpatine would be too interested in their sorcery to want them destroyed. Some kind of quarantine does seem likely, though.

Damnit, I have a SW/WOT crossover outline lying around somewhere. I may have to get back to writing it...

I am sure it would be an interesting read.

The Seanchan collapsed. What, when, how.

In Knife of Dreams, Suroth's dark mistress reveals that the Imperial Family has been killed and the Empire descended into warlordism. Tuon is the sole remaining heir.

Now back to the OP, would Palpatine try cloning a channeler or breeding it with a Force sensitive and then cloning the off spring. Would be hell useful.

I would factor that in; he would certainly be interested in their magic (perhaps foremostly, teleportation), and also their "Lost Age" technology (alchemy/supergenetics, "magical materials" &c - and did Moghedien not speak of space capabilities at some point?).

[Napoleon the Clown]

Both scenarios they'd be viewed as a curiosity, though one that can become immensely dangerous. Palpatine would do his damnedest to get them under his thumb, especially if he could breed a Force Sensitive that can channel. The NR would likely attempt to establish friendly relations. Get the world caught up on tech, etc.


Overall the ability to channel would end up being of relatively large impact. Most of their powers are more potent than what we normally see Force Sensitives doing. If nothing else, they'd prove to be effective weapons, if for no other reason then the ability to do what a team running an E-Web can do while taking up far fewer resources.



The biggest potential impact would end up being the Dark One. His abilities aren't clearly enough defined to say just how big a threat he'd really be. He may end up being something the Star Wars galaxy can't handle. Though at the same time he may end up being a trivial challenge. Until the last book comes out, we won't be able to say. And even then, we may lack sufficient information.

[Minischoles]

The Seanchan collapsed. What, when, how.

Now back to the OP, would Palpatine try cloning a channeler or breeding it with a Force sensitive and then cloning the off spring. Would be hell useful.

*SPOILERS FOR KNIFE OF DREAMS*


The Seanchan collapsed when Graendal (IIRC and sp?) slayed the entire royal family, including the Empress, and with that gone the entire country went crazy and there were dozens of nobles with armies in the field trying to sieze the country for themselves, along with rioters taking over Seandar.

[Darth Hoth]

Both scenarios they'd be viewed as a curiosity, though one that can become immensely dangerous. Palpatine would do his damnedest to get them under his thumb, especially if he could breed a Force Sensitive that can channel. The NR would likely attempt to establish friendly relations. Get the world caught up on tech, etc.

For Palpatine, it would be very much a balancing act; on the one hand, he would want to learn all he could from them, but on the other they are a threat to his position and his vision of the future, as they are not Force-sensitives and provide an alternative source of metaphysical power, the tricks of which could potentially rival those of all but his most powerful Dark Side Adepts.

Overall the ability to channel would end up being of relatively large impact. Most of their powers are more potent than what we normally see Force Sensitives doing. If nothing else, they'd prove to be effective weapons, if for no other reason then the ability to do what a team running an E-Web can do while taking up far fewer resources.

On the galactic scale they would still be quite rare (There are, what, a thousand Aes Sedai and roughly as many Asha'man?), so they would likely not be used in such insignificant support roles. Rather, their mental powers, alchemy and/or major offensive weaponry (e.g., gates - both weapons and super-transports) would be exploited to the fullest.

The biggest potential impact would end up being the Dark One. His abilities aren't clearly enough defined to say just how big a threat he'd really be. He may end up being something the Star Wars galaxy can't handle. Though at the same time he may end up being a trivial challenge. Until the last book comes out, we won't be able to say. And even then, we may lack sufficient information.

Well, if Lews Therin Telamon levelled a mountain and was still not close to his equal, he can at least stand power outputs approximating strategic nuclear weapons. His ability to revive the dead is also interesting, as are his control over animals and the uncanny abilities of his various creatures.

Part of the consequences might be that the Final Battle will be fought on a larger scale - if the Creator and the Great Lord are both god-like entities, they could potentially extend their conflict over a larger part of the greater world they find themselves in.

[Gaidin]

How dangerous is balefire now that the size of the Pattern has increased more than exponentially? Palpatine just got himself some nice artillery if they let him find out about it.

[Napoleon the Clown]

Balefire's danger comes in because you're fucking over the timeline BIG TIME. Erasing one person for approximately the past half hour (Rand did this to Samael while aided by a minor angreal) is one thing. Snipping an entire city out of existence causes some really fucked up events. Keep in mind that there were people who saw Mat, Aviendha, Asmodeon, etc. dead and remembered seeing that. There's a reason that balefire is something nobody likes using except in the most extreme circumstances. Besides, who's to say that there isn't plenty of other lives in the Pattern beyond those in Randland? I believe that it was mentioned at one point that Dream Walkers can access the dreams of those living in alternate realities of Randland. So the Pattern is pretty fucking massive as is.


Scary thought: Balefire made while using one of the Choeden Khal. Good-bye, target's entire lifetime. Though what that would do to the timeline, who can say? Probably fuck the Pattern irreparably, unless the Creator intervened.

[Gaidin]

*snip*

Scary thought: Balefire made while using one of the Choeden Khal. Good-bye, target's entire lifetime. Though what that would do to the timeline, who can say? Probably fuck the Pattern irreparably, unless the Creator intervened.

That's all kind of my point though. It took them a long time to realize its dangers. And even if we assume all the alternate realities adds to how massive the pattern is, it's still just increased exponentially from not only the other planets, but their alternate realities as well. It took city-level destruction, multiple times, for them to realize why they shouldn't use it. Would palpatine listen? Or would he need a few Death Star level moves for him to really realize why he shouldn't be doing that?

If we wanted to go crazy we could ask what happens if someone does it to him at different points in the timeline, but I think that's a different thread altogether.