Darth Vader vs. Arthas, Death Knight of the Liche King (WC3)

Lucifer Morningstar · Post by **Lucifer Morningstar** » 2003-06-28 01:56pm

For something else, once in a while.

Sword fight only.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-06-28 03:30pm

Lucifer Morningstar wrote:For something else, once in a while.

Sword fight only.

Unless Arthas has some kind of uber-powerful magic sword, then Darth simply chops through his blade and his flesh.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-06-28 03:34pm

Actually, he DOES have a uber-powerful magic sword.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-06-28 03:40pm

Yogi wrote:Actually, he DOES have a uber-powerful magic sword.

I know, but how strong is it?? Can it stand up to a lightsaber???

Also, since vader can's use his other force powers, does he still get combat precog???

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2003-06-28 04:16pm

You really can't debate this one. First of all, Vader's Force powers are a big part of his fighting style. You can't really judge his swordsmanship without the Force, since he's never been seen fighting without it. As for Arthas, the capabilities and limits of his magic sword, Frostmourne, are complete unknowns. All we know is that it does more damage than his warhammer, and that the damage is "chaos" damage. However, these are game mechanics and might not be applicable in a "realistic" debate.

Lucifer Morningstar · Post by **Lucifer Morningstar** » 2003-06-28 07:23pm

Why always have to overanalyze everything?

Just go with the flow!!

Have *FUN* Once in a while!

The Sword inherits chaos magic, lets say it can stand up to the Lightsaber.
Vader gets to use his force for jumps and that stuff, but no choking (won't do good on an undead anyways). Arthas can use his own undead endurance and strength.

Keep in Mind Arthas is probably the best Sword fighter of the WC Universe.
He stood up to a Daemon hunter in one vs one and those guys enhance themselves with daemon magicks.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-06-28 07:43pm

Maybe when WCIII the Book comes out we could do a little debate about it, but as it stands all we have is wildley inaccurate game mechanics

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-06-28 07:44pm

I don't care how good Arthas' reflexes are, they cannont be faster than those of a person who can see things before they happen. Arthas puts up a good fight, but vader takes him down.

Lucifer Morningstar · Post by **Lucifer Morningstar** » 2003-06-28 08:11pm

*sighs*
NO Precog.. you cannot say Vaders whole fighting style bases on Pre-cog and without it he's useless..

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-28 08:16pm

Why is that people take oput Pre-cog when they pretty much have never SEEN a Jedi fight without it.

It's an innate power they use from training because of the Force.

And Bean is right this thread is virtually useless because we have no idea what Arthas can do aside from Game mechanics.

So unless someone can provide some pice of novel/handbook/something that demonstrates Arthas' powers I'm locking it.

Lucifer Morningstar · Post by **Lucifer Morningstar** » 2003-06-28 08:19pm

GAH!
I give it up!

Is there no FRIGGIN chance in hell to just get a fun thread going???
Does it ALWAYS have to have an part where an Jedi ALWAYS has to have to know what the opponent does in advance?

Lucifer Morningstar · Post by **Lucifer Morningstar** » 2003-06-28 08:19pm

Bickering an Bitchin if a Jedi doesn't own his opponent ten ways from sunday...

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-06-28 08:32pm

Lucifer Morningstar wrote:Bickering an Bitchin if a Jedi doesn't own his opponent ten ways from sunday...

First of all, since when was anyone "Bitching?" A jedi's combat abilities come from his force abilities so removing them would be like hacking off Arthas' sword arm before the fight. You simply cannot accurately judge the jedi's abilities when he has no force powers whatsoever

keflex · Post by **keflex** » 2003-06-28 10:07pm

Darksider wrote:I don't care how good Arthas' reflexes are, they cannont be faster than those of a person who can see things before they happen.

Unfortunately, this seems to be quite a common logical fallacy.

Precog != Reflexes

Precog = Preparation.

If a normal human had precog and could see 1 second into the future, does that allow them to dodge the bullet that is fired the instant after that 1 second?

We could also assume that you have enough prescience to see 5 minutes into the future. And in that future you are jumped by 5 big thugs. Does that mean you have better reflexes than those thugs? Obviously not. It merely means you can prepare for that situation.

I'll admit that precog can help your reflexes a bit (by being prepared and knowing what to do, you can cut down your reaction time) but reaction time during the situation is the main determinant of your reflexes. Not precog. Otherwise average Joe Schmoe w/ precog would have better reflexes than a Jedi w/out precog.

(An example would be akin to having a crystal ball: If you had a crystall ball and saw yourself in a hostage situation in an hour, does that mean you have the reflexes to dodge the bullets those hostage takers fire?

Another example: If I told you that I was going to shoot you in 5 seconds, do you have reflexes to dodge the bullet I fire?)

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-28 10:11pm

Yet the Jedi have shown they have the reflexes to adapt to most situations with Pre-cog.

Besides it's doesn't do much to persay the debate, and thus locking because we have no information on Arthas aside from Game stats.

For all we know Frostmourne could sunder continents.

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