Middle Earth vs. Narnia

KK · Post by KK » 2003-06-27 04:37pm

All out war between the two fantasy worlds.

Which comes out on top?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-27 06:05pm

When is it for Middle Earth? Are their any limitations for the two sides? Both matter alot for Middle Earth.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-06-27 06:35pm

That's the problem. Aslan represents Jesus, and since C.S. Lewis was a Christian, all God's omnipotence goes into the Aslan character. However, throughout the series we never really see Aslan doing much fighting.
Narnia is a little nation. In The Horse and His boy, Prince Rabadash of Calormene say that "A thousand spears could conquer it in six weeks." Now, this was during the reign of Peter the High King, a period almost universally refered to as Narnia's Golden Age, when Narnia was at the height of its prosperity. I don't really know much about its military power during that time, save that it matched Calormen at sea.
Narnia is not very militarized, it's more of a peaceful fantasy land.
It was protected from Calormene by superstious Tisrocs (The Calormene ruler) and a large desert. In The Last Battle, when Calormenes finally got troops into Narnia, they established control rather firmly. Of course, it helped that the true king was captured, and Shift had all the talking animals thinking Aslan wanted them to comply with the Tisroc's commands, but still, Narnia is not very strong.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-06-27 06:38pm

Setzer wrote:--snip about the Kingdom of Narnia--

the OP compared the two worlds, which menas all hjtree mainland continents, the wildlands to the North, and the relams in the Great Eastern Ocean.

KK · Post by KK » 2003-06-27 07:20pm

I just used the term Narnia since that's what most people would recognize.

But yeah, I'm thinking the lands unified.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-06-28 07:43am

It all boils down to Gandalf the White vs. Aslan. I predict Calormen overrun by Uruk-hai, Minas Tirith razing Cair Parivel, and talking animal's pelts adorning Rivendell.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-28 10:40am

Darth Gojira wrote:It all boils down to Gandalf the White vs. Aslan. I predict Calormen overrun by Uruk-hai, Minas Tirith razing Cair Parivel, and talking animal's pelts adorning Rivendell.

Id have to agree to that. and, sauron I expect may get involved, if orcs are.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-28 10:43am

Middle Earth kicks the shit out of Narnia. This is a place where regular animals engage in combat. Can you say hunting season?

JodoForce · Post by **JodoForce** » 2003-06-28 11:43am

innerbrat wrote:
the OP compared the two worlds, which menas all hjtree mainland continents, the wildlands to the North, and the relams in the Great Eastern Ocean.

Well that's stupid, why would each world unite from within to fight the other world?

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-06-28 12:11pm

You're forgetting the Christian themes running through Narnia. They quite Literally have God on their side. It's like the Empire attacking the Federation with Q on the Feddie's side. If Aslan doesn't get involved, the Narnia will be rippedto shreds.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-28 12:13pm

Setzer wrote:You're forgetting the Christian themes running through Narnia. They quite Literally have God on their side. It's like the Empire attacking the Federation with Q on the Feddie's side. If Aslan doesn't get involved, the Narnia will be rippedto shreds.

Course the debate could always be made that in the Bible God is unable to defeat Iron Chariots

In the End...just because he has the power of God...does he do literally things that are comparable to Q(asking more or less since it's been many, many years since I've read the Chronicles of Narnia)

KK · Post by KK » 2003-06-28 02:49pm

JodoForce wrote: Well that's stupid, why would each world unite from within to fight the other world?

A common enemy. Unitied for the greater good. Lesser of two enemies.

Chose any of the common themes found in literature.

KK · Post by KK » 2003-06-28 02:50pm

Ghost Rider wrote: In the End...just because he has the power of God...does he do literally things that are comparable to Q(asking more or less since it's been many, many years since I've read the Chronicles of Narnia)

In The Magicians Nephew he created the world and everything in it ala Genesis, only it took him much less time.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-06-28 03:14pm

If you invoked Aslan's Godlike powers, then the Middle Earth side gets to invoke Illumintor and the Valar, in which case the whole thing winds as a draw. Therefor, I think it would be nice to lay down a ground rule preventing the intervention of either Illumintor or Aslan, so as not to devolve into a 'My god is stronger than your god!' game of one-upsmanship.

KK · Post by KK » 2003-06-28 03:17pm

How about if the godlike beings fight off in some distant dimension, and the mortal beings fight without help from their gods.

So it's two different battles.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-06-28 03:26pm

There's no reason to the involve the godlike beings at all. They're both omnipotent so a battle would be pointless and stupid.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-06-28 04:23pm

Well, since there are an infinite number of Narnian universes, Narnia would win.

Middle Earth, however, could CRUSH any individual Narnian universe.

Interestingly enough, the authors were close friends who frequently shared ideas and worked with each other, so I find it ironic that we now pit the two's creations against each other in a fight to the death.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-06-28 07:45pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:
Darth Gojira wrote:It all boils down to Gandalf the White vs. Aslan. I predict Calormen overrun by Uruk-hai, Minas Tirith razing Cair Parivel, and talking animal's pelts adorning Rivendell.
Id have to agree to that. and, sauron I expect may get involved, if orcs are.

If I was Sauron, I would leap at the chance. I mean, who needs Gondor when you've got an entire continent at your fingertips?

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-06-28 08:16pm

Master of Ossus wrote:Well, since there are an infinite number of Narnian universes, Narnia would win.

How are there an infinite number of Narnian universes? There were an infinite number of pools in the Forrest, but only one of them led to Narnia.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-06-28 08:16pm

Unless you meant the "worlds within a world" from The Lat Battle, but that only happened after the world ended.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-28 08:36pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Interestingly enough, the authors were close friends who frequently shared ideas and worked with each other, so I find it ironic that we now pit the two's creations against each other in a fight to the death.

I did not know that. But I find the idea amusing, its really little different then a STGOD when you think about it.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-06-29 01:28am

I'm not sure if this was adressed, but could ME get Illuvatar, or at least the Valar?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-06-29 01:31am

Illuvatar! That's right, I knew it wasn't Illumintar.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-06-29 08:09am

HemlockGrey wrote:Illuvatar! That's right, I knew it wasn't Illumintar.

Illumitar sounds like a flashlight brand!

Hethrir · Post by **Hethrir** » 2003-06-29 09:32am

Master of Ossus wrote:...Interestingly enough, the authors were close friends who frequently shared ideas and worked with each other, so I find it ironic that we now pit the two's creations against each other in a fight to the death.

I vote stalemate. Logical flaw that the universes can co-exist.